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Hulltim8 City AFC

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03/04/2019 at 09:27


Some treat their fans with some respect. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019 /03/28/norwich-city-sane-crazy-league-lik ely-win-promotion/

Things like this explain, with sensible pricing, that whilst our crowds have decreased by 60% Norwich's have not varied by more than 2,000 despite relegations, including a spell in League One, since 2008. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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03/04/2019 at 12:29

A very good example and model to follow.
To study certain clubs throughout in all important matters, such as you highlight Norwich above, add to that the scouting network, academies and status. The mechanical roots of the game.
Norwich brought in Daniel Farke and his team have performed wonders in tapping into certain markets without spending a fortune, it can be done but only with the right leadership and planning.
Ipswich too have a decent trac(tor boys) record of support but have mismanaged with bringing in a relatively raw manager in Paul Hurst who brought in certain Div 1 players.
Clusb are a package deal and all has to dovetail.
Leadership and ambition comes from the top and of course we are sadly lacking in that department, putting it mildly.
I thought at one time we could see some light at the end of the tunnel with a possible swing of change in our academy and youth status, but that has quickly been undone.
I think Jon Beale is doing a great job......................but losing Dan James, why on earth did he walk away?
Josh Tymon, Max Clarke, Connor Townsend all local lads who we shouldn't have lost and re Townsend we should have got that deal over the line. They all play in the same position. But why on earth did we opt instead for Stephen Kingsley having forked out a "money down the drain" deal of circa £2.5-3 million! When we had our own local lads??!!
Walking down Mill House Woods Lane and having recurring nightmares afterwards.
I once missed a penalty in the last minute on that ground and I was gutted, it cost us the win.
But not as gutted as I am today when I see that permanent fixture of a feckin porta cabin there despite all the money that has flowed into this club!
Look how certain other clubs have progressed with their training facilities.
It's so sad and shocking what has slipped through our hands.
But going backing to Tim's point we have it wrong is so many areas of our club, we could and should learn from how others have done it.
Yes, we have achieved success and I thought that I would never see that, but dear me how we have pissed it all up against the wall and mismanaged matters! Being an understatement.
If only we had looked, learned and listen we could and should have been a Burnley or a Watford etc.
The owners said from day one that they weren't footballing people, then why didn't they get some brains in when our backs were against the wall?
Concessions, I just won't go into, it just makes my blood boil.
SO NEAR YET SO FAR BUT NO SHORTAGE OF EVIDENCE OF PISSING IN THE WIND!!!

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Hulltim8 City AFC

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03/04/2019 at 13:51

Quote Quote by KingstonKid on 03/04/2019 at 12:29
A very good example and model to follow.
To study certain clubs throughout in all important matters, such as you highlight Norwich above, add to that the scouting network, academies and status. The mechanical roots of the game.
Norwich brought in Daniel Farke and his team have performed wonders in tapping into certain markets without spending a fortune, it can be done but only with the right leadership and planning.
Ipswich too have a decent trac(tor boys) record of support but have mismanaged with bringing in a relatively raw manager in Paul Hurst who brought in certain Div 1 players.
Clusb are a package deal and all has to dovetail.
Leadership and ambition comes from the top and of course we are sadly lacking in that department, putting it mildly.
I thought at one time we could see some light at the end of the tunnel with a possible swing of change in our academy and youth status, but that has quickly been undone.
I think Jon Beale is doing a great job......................but losing Dan James, why on earth did he walk away?
Josh Tymon, Max Clarke, Connor Townsend all local lads who we shouldn't have lost and re Townsend we should have got that deal over the line. They all play in the same position. But why on earth did we opt instead for Stephen Kingsley having forked out a "money down the drain" deal of circa £2.5-3 million! When we had our own local lads??!!
Walking down Mill House Woods Lane and having recurring nightmares afterwards.
I once missed a penalty in the last minute on that ground and I was gutted, it cost us the win.
But not as gutted as I am today when I see that permanent fixture of a feckin porta cabin there despite all the money that has flowed into this club!
Look how certain other clubs have progressed with their training facilities.
It's so sad and shocking what has slipped through our hands.
But going backing to Tim's point we have it wrong is so many areas of our club, we could and should learn from how others have done it.
Yes, we have achieved success and I thought that I would never see that, but dear me how we have pissed it all up against the wall and mismanaged matters! Being an understatement.
If only we had looked, learned and listen we could and should have been a Burnley or a Watford etc.
The owners said from day one that they weren't footballing people, then why didn't they get some brains in when our backs were against the wall?
Concessions, I just won't go into, it just makes my blood boil.
SO NEAR YET SO FAR BUT NO SHORTAGE OF EVIDENCE OF PISSING IN THE WIND!!!



Taling of owners. I was watching the Checkatrade Trophy at the weekend and the camera honed in on ex-owner Ellis Short. Obviously a welcome guest. And no wonder. It was saying he wrote off £140 million to enable the sale of the club for £40 million. Now, that was gift to the city, Mr Allam. Now, apparently, the new owner has had 2 parties offering over £50 million. This for a club with a 48,000 stadium and massive support home and away. Business genius Mr Allam thinks he can get that for a club with no stadium and crowds a third the size of Sunderland's and dwindling by the month. Sunderland took 40,000 down to London for this tinpot trophy, how many would we take if we got there, as we will be in a division which competes for it in the near future unless something changes sharpish? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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KingstonKid

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03/04/2019 at 14:18

Pompey took their allocation too.
It was a fine site to see both clubs fill the stadium.
A fine site too to see Lee Cattermole miss his pen, not only me that misses pens!
If only the Allams had kept to their word and sold for a shiny pound coin hey and within 24 hours!
Ellis Short was under so much pressure at the time and yes, he wrote off a massive debt.
The Allams .........well another story unfortunately.
Looking ahead I hope that our business geniuses don't part with anything else less than £20 million for Jarrod.
Adkins said at the weekend that if Jarrod is sold then he will go for whatever the buying club are willing to pay.
BUT, the selling club needs to inform potential buyers that the selling price starts at £20 million.
Surely we can't make the same mistakes as we did with both Robbo and Harry, or can we?!
I see the latest price touted for Michael Keane possibly leaving Everton in the summer is £50, million!
Keane was sold a year earlier than Harry for £30 million pounds!!
Robbo and Harry reckoned to be the "Sales of the Century" it could only happen to us!!
So, the movement of players and mismanagement of same is riddled throughout from the young uns to the average players and then our polished diamonds in exchange for Withernsea pebbles and fish n chips.

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04/04/2019 at 10:07

Im afraid we are in a different ball game with these two herberts in charge. Its a matter of what owners want when selling. I have no problem with realistic asking prices but our two have no clue and no ambition to sell to the best buyer who will drive the club forward. Im afraid we are at the bottom of the pecking order because, firstly whoever tries to buy the club have to deal with them and secondly what have we got to offer? Hardly any assets with even fewer come the end of the season. Basically we are a basket case and always will be until we unload the gruesome twosome. 

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