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Hulltim8 City AFC

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11/10/2018 at 14:14

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 11/10/2018 at 02:08
The Saudis are a bunch of immoral savages who are only tolerated on the world stage because they have oil and money. The are immoral and most follow a brutal pastiche of a religion, based on hate, savagery, brutality, lacking humanity, compassion, and anything else good and/or worthwhile.

It's time these immoral nasty hateful shits were called out for what they are - subhuman by choice. It's time Britain's and the world's foul disgusting arms industries stopped supplying them with the means to industrialise their murderous regime.

They are not fit persons to be owning and running British football team.


Happy with Siemens putting money into Hull though? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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11/10/2018 at 14:28

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 11/10/2018 at 14:14


Happy with Siemens putting money into Hull though?


Not given it any thought, since I know nothing about them and the Germs appear to have got over their habit of trying to kill everybody. 

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Hulltim8 City AFC

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11/10/2018 at 17:06

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 11/10/2018 at 14:28


Not given it any thought, since I know nothing about them and the Germs appear to have got over their habit of trying to kill everybody.


On about Siemens. And how the company made a lot of its money.

"Siemens was a leading corporate participant in Hitler’s “death through work program;” with slave labor factories at the following death camps: Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Flossenberg, Gross Rosen, Mauthausen, Neuengamme, Ravensbruck, & Sachsenhausen

In late 1944, at the height of World War II, Siemens’ total workforce of 244,000 included 50,000 people who had been put to work against their will. The overall number of people who served as forced labor at Siemens during the war years was even higher.

The major private firm that used slave labor at Ravensbrück was the Siemens Electric Company, today the second largest electric company in the world. In a separate camp adjoining the main one, Siemens “employed” the women to make electrical components for V-1 and V-2 rockets. The women usually worked for twelve hours a day, under conditions of extreme exploitation. Women also worked at some of the most difficult tasks, including construction. They were used like animals, with twelve to fourteen of them pulling a huge roller to pave the streets,
In addition to the profitable business of working people to death at Nazi concentration camps, Siemens did quite well in the so-called “Aryanization Program,” which was essentially the expropriation of Jewish businesses for resale at bargain basement prices to approved German companies

Siemens general director during the Holocaust, Rudolf Bingel, was one of the senior German business leaders active in the notorious Himmlerkreis, the Circle of Friends of Reichsfuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler. The companies represented in Himmler’s circle became pacesetters in Aryanization, exploitation of concentration camp labor, seizure of foreign companies in the occupied territories, and similar business ventures that depended on SS cooperation."



2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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11/10/2018 at 17:45


Thanks. That's horrific. Was VW operating in the same manner? 

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11/10/2018 at 19:17

It was preferable in the situation that was for many to work as slave labour in the factories as the alternative was execution. Being useful kept them alive.

500,000 Germans were worked to death in Soviet mines and quarries after WW2 and 3 million German women were raped by Soviet forces on their way to Moscow and world stood by and did nothing.

There were nearly as many French Nazis as there were German ones and even before the Vichy government was installed, many French were happily loading Jews onto death trains, yet astonishingly history has treated the French as victims and victors. Perhaps if the French army hadn't been allowed to match on the Ruhr to pick up reparations from a country already struggling in depression and hyperinflation, national socialists would never have got the initial sympathy. Perhaps if the German Communist party hadn't conspired with the Nazis to get the social Democrats out and destroy the Weimar Republic, the rise would not have continued.

The British Empire resulted in the deaths of millions for the sake of British wealth, so really, all of us have benefited in some way historically from slave labour.

No one is innocent. Difference is the Saudis are doing bad things now at this present moment.


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#37
11/10/2018 at 20:53

With this in mind, next time I purchase a wind turbine I shall take my business to anyone but Siemens. 

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11/10/2018 at 21:52

Hugo Boss designed all Nazi uniforms and is still doing very well to this day in the fashion industry
Adi Dasler and his brother both were in Hiter Youth.

Duffen appears to doing the same job as Jarvis/Blackbridge - facilitating the deal.
Duffen has to xperience Jarvis is a kid is how I see it.
Saudi money or Coin-Op money, it’s all laundering to me.
 

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12/10/2018 at 01:57

I doubt there is one corporation on the planet that does not have some legacy taint in its DNA. That doesn’t make it a current threat to mankind though.

A lot of commemorations being removed from public sight now due to “history”. Understood but if convention at the time was for people of a certain stature to employ slaves, then they did. Where is the difference between that and illegal immigrants getting paid £2 an hour for cleaning toilets and cooking fast food, after having paid a (relative) fortune to a people smuggler in the hope of a new start.

We (old school) used to freely use terms like queer, nigger, retard, United fan and it didn’t mean much because it wasn’t meant to be much, same as fatty, four eyes etc. Just observations really. We don’t now because the emphasis has changed in culture and demographics.

I recounted a tale the other day and it started with, remember those couple of poofs that... and someone said “excuse me”. I carried on but fuck me if you can’t say what they are you lose the thread.

Got fuck all to do with Bowen and .grosicki not starting against the blunts though. 

Bunkers Hill - See you in the next life 

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12/10/2018 at 08:23

Quote Quote by normantony on 11/10/2018 at 21:52
Hugo Boss designed all Nazi uniforms and is still doing very well to this day in the fashion industry
Adi Dasler and his brother both were in Hiter Youth.



Yes, Siemens & Hugo Boss, the Dassler brothers made army boots so Adidas and Puma were also complicit, Ferdinand Porsche designed the Tanks so Porsche & VW also. In the Aircraft industry Dornier still operate, Heinkel, Messerchmitt and Junker all survived the War merging into MBB, then DASA then into Airbus.

The BAE factory at Brough has produced aircraft for the Saudis for a long time creating more local employment than Siemens have.

 

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12/10/2018 at 10:29

Quote Quote by normantony on 11/10/2018 at 21:52
Hugo Boss designed all Nazi uniforms and is still doing very well to this day in the fashion industry
Adi Dasler and his brother both were in Hiter Youth.



Yes, Siemens & Hugo Boss, the Dassler brothers made army boots so Adidas and Puma were also complicit, Ferdinand Porsche designed the Tanks so Porsche & VW also. In the Aircraft industry Dornier still operate, Heinkel, Messerchmitt and Junker all survived the War merging into MBB, then DASA then into Airbus.

The BAE factory at Brough has produced aircraft for the Saudis for a long time creating more local employment than Siemens have.

 

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12/10/2018 at 11:03

So when we all wear Adidas and ride in German cars and fly in Airbus planes we aren't really guilty of anything, likewise if our government gives us export licenses to export to Saudi and we get employment from that and the Football League allows Saudi money to pass fit and proper tests then they can buy our football club.  

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12/10/2018 at 11:33

Can't believe i've learnt something today. 

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13/10/2018 at 07:53

Lest we forget, the Allams strongly implied they laundered money from Egypt for the purposes of Hull City Tigers.

Football awash with dirty money.

Off the top of my head in the Prem alone....

Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Everton, Wolves, ABC Bourneville, Leicester, Cardiff. West Ham bought with porn money.

Tonnes more, Leeds, Sheffield Wed, WBA, Blackburn, Villa, Forest, Barnsley, Birmingham, Reading, Hull City.

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14/10/2018 at 13:03

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 11/10/2018 at 17:06


On about Siemens. And how the company made a lot of its money.

"Siemens was a leading corporate participant in Hitler’s “death through work program;” with slave labor factories at the following death camps: Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Flossenberg, Gross Rosen, Mauthausen, Neuengamme, Ravensbruck, & Sachsenhausen

In late 1944, at the height of World War II, Siemens’ total workforce of 244,000 included 50,000 people who had been put to work against their will. The overall number of people who served as forced labor at Siemens during the war years was even higher.

The major private firm that used slave labor at Ravensbrück was the Siemens Electric Company, today the second largest electric company in the world. In a separate camp adjoining the main one, Siemens “employed” the women to make electrical components for V-1 and V-2 rockets. The women usually worked for twelve hours a day, under conditions of extreme exploitation. Women also worked at some of the most difficult tasks, including construction. They were used like animals, with twelve to fourteen of them pulling a huge roller to pave the streets,
In addition to the profitable business of working people to death at Nazi concentration camps, Siemens did quite well in the so-called “Aryanization Program,” which was essentially the expropriation of Jewish businesses for resale at bargain basement prices to approved German companies

Siemens general director during the Holocaust, Rudolf Bingel, was one of the senior German business leaders active in the notorious Himmlerkreis, the Circle of Friends of Reichsfuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler. The companies represented in Himmler’s circle became pacesetters in Aryanization, exploitation of concentration camp labor, seizure of foreign companies in the occupied territories, and similar business ventures that depended on SS cooperation."





You can't change the past.

You can however, change the present to influence the future for better. 

Now then... 

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#46
14/10/2018 at 14:07

Been a problem with the Duffen bid.

The sportyco bid hasn't even got through the door as they couldn't show a proof of funds - an Allan requirement for a discussion.


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