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26/09/2018 at 12:33

Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 09:55
How much has the EU invested in Hull and other deprived parts of the UK? Would the Conservative and New Labour governments have invested the same amounts over the last 3 decades?

Fishing is a complicated one - part EU rules, but largely lack of investment or a adequate national strategy had an effect - Norway and Iceland have fishing quite central to their economies and government policy, UK governments since the mid-1970s have pushed it to the side. More Brits have worked for Poundland than in the fishing industry in the last 15 years - despite being in the news, it's contribution to the British economy is minimal now.



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I wasn't so much bothered about the national economy, more the Hull economy. But. as you say, too many unionised short-sighted (the seventies was awash with them - polarised parties unable and unwilling to compromise for their own good) groups shot themselves in both feet. 

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Quote Quote by karlberg on 26/09/2018 at 08:47
I must be one of the few on here who actually voted the first time round ( see earlier post) I campaigned against joining purely on the mandate that by joining it would end deep sea fishing from Hull ( or anywhere else in Britain) if we joined the Common Market as it was called. This obviously was a correct call at the time by those against joining.


I wasn't old enough to vote, but the school I was at had a mock version. Predictably, the verdict was an overwhelming Stay In vote. I voted Out and persuaded the left-most person in my year to do likewise. 

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26/09/2018 at 12:40

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 26/09/2018 at 12:33


I wasn't so much bothered about the national economy, more the Hull economy. But. as you say, too many unionised short-sighted (the seventies was awash with them - polarised parties unable and unwilling to compromise for their own good) groups shot themselves in both feet.


Yes totally, government, unions, companies and regions were at war with each other, rather than looking outwards. Very typical. There was a huge element of blame that laid with UK fishing companies who refused to listen to 'science' regarding dwindling fish stocks and over-fishing - greed and desperation, rather than long term thinking.

Wild catch has remained relatively static over the last two decades, so the industry isn't a growth industry anymore, so really focusing on it for the UK is pointless. A few thousand employees and around £300 million industry. Fish farming is another matter though. Asia's consumption of fish-based protein is rocketing.

Thatcher started it and Blair continued it, the growth of the South and South East at the expense of the North. Then minimum wage workers and those in need of help having to pay the price for the greed of the banking and credit sector has made things worse, relating to Garrrry's post on foodbanks. I just don't see the EU as being responsible for this.


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26/09/2018 at 12:45

Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 09:55
How much has the EU invested in Hull and other deprived parts of the UK? Would the Conservative and New Labour governments have invested the same amounts over the last 3 decades?

Fishing is a complicated one - part EU rules, but largely lack of investment or a adequate national strategy had an effect - Norway and Iceland have fishing quite central to their economies and government policy, UK governments since the mid-1970s have pushed it to the side. More Brits have worked for Poundland than in the fishing industry in the last 15 years - despite being in the news, it's contribution to the British economy is minimal now.





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The fishing industry in Hull alone employed 10,000 people at its height. Then there is the knock on effect of supplying all the small, and not so small engineering companies with stock. I don't think the two Hull branches of Poundland in Hull even with it's part time, minimum wage staff, even touched that figure.
I dont remember a massive Trade Union movement in the fishing trade either.
I dont think the city of Hull has recovered yet from losing such a huge industry. Also it is my belief that Europe needs Britain more than we need them.
You lost the vote, as people like me did in 1975, so like us, accept it and move on. That was my point. 

Post edited on 26/09/2018 at 12:55 by karlberg

link; www.finesse-internet.co.uk/the-best-trip/ (THE BOOK THE CLUB REFUSED TO SELL). 

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26/09/2018 at 13:54

I didn't lose the vote, Garry. I didn't vote for the Brexit which May and the Conservatives are driving towards. Remain is a better option.


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26/09/2018 at 14:36

Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 13:54
I didn't lose the vote, Garry. I didn't vote for the Brexit which May and the Conservatives are driving towards. Remain is a better option.


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What had it to do with someone supposedly living in Norway with no intention of returning? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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26/09/2018 at 14:40

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 25/09/2018 at 17:42
If needs be we’ll fight the French with our scollop boats. It will be like Dunkirk all over again.


We headed to Dunkirk to fight the French? Another to add to the list of POM's lack of historical accuracy.
As inaccurate as his spelling of scollop. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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26/09/2018 at 15:13

Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 13:54
I didn't lose the vote, Garry. I didn't vote for the Brexit which May and the Conservatives are driving towards. Remain is a better option.


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Niether did I. May is a sacrafical lamb.

Post edited on 26/09/2018 at 15:16 by karlberg

link; www.finesse-internet.co.uk/the-best-trip/ (THE BOOK THE CLUB REFUSED TO SELL). 

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26/09/2018 at 15:31

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 26/09/2018 at 11:53


I voted to remain in the EEC as I worked in a shipping office at the time and saw the advantages of being able to ship containers through with a TIR plate on without everything but loaded and unloaded at ports.


Are you at liberty to name the shipping company? 

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26/09/2018 at 15:40

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 26/09/2018 at 14:40


We headed to Dunkirk to fight the French? Another to add to the list of POM's lack of historical accuracy.
As inaccurate as his spelling of scollop.


Timothy, it was a bit of a joke.

I don’t know if you’ve been watching the news over the last couple of months, but there’s been at least one disturbance in the channel involving Britain and the French.

Stick to communism and North Korea, mate. 

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26/09/2018 at 17:04

Who are the French nowadays? Back in the 70s or 80s, you knew where you stood with them - arrogant, surly, stank of body odour, bitterness and onions, good wine, good food and fillies more prone to giving oral pleasure than their English counterparts. Received my first 'French' from a farmer's daughter in Normandy whilst on a school trip visiting the Bayeaux tapestry and various WW1 and 2 sites. After finishing me off, she killed a chicken bare-handed for dinner. Step forward 40 years and they've got Blair's bastard gnome son in charge, who is married to a wizened geriatric, Africans defecating along Parisian boulevards, 50% of the female population doped up on anti-psychotics, the other 50% wearing burqas. I guess the same could be said about England. Good for the Normandy fisherman for at least maintaining standards and declaring war on 5 British vessels in French waters. Always got my oysters, scallops and shellfish from West Mersea back in the day - buy British - went well with a chilled bottle of Sancerre or a ruddy good cider. One of the few things I miss.

Hunting season now - grouse, venison and elk. Game pie, the meal of peasants and kings.



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27/09/2018 at 21:43

Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 13:54
I didn't lose the vote, Garry. I didn't vote for the Brexit which May and the Conservatives are driving towards. Remain is a better option.


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You did want out, though.

You campaigned for BREXIT on the other board in the build up to the vote.

However, I don't think anybody who voted out, wants/wanted what is being contrived (badly at that) by the Tories.

May is merely the executioner before being executed herself.

Incredibly, Danny Dyer (of all people!) has called it right; Cameron did a runner to the South of France and put his trotters up leaving the shit storm behind.

Charming. 

Now then... 

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28/09/2018 at 11:40

When we had the referendum for the Common Market I voted not to join. Democracy ruled in those days and I just accepted losing as that was the way it went. I never voted for this ogre that has developed from the Common Market. No one in this country voted for or against it. It was just forced upon us. It is a huge cash cow and has got well beyond what it was devised to do. I voted out and Im pleased I did. I don't want just a single market I want world trade. I also don't want a European army which of course hardly merits a mention. What has seriously pissed me off is that we are seeing democracy in this country going down the tubes. The remoaners are finding one excuse after another to have a 2nd referendum. You have labour sitting on the fence with Corbyn totally unable to make a decision having changed his mind endlessly since the vote. He and his cronies are doing their utmost to spark a general election having really not given a flying fuck about leaving. The other thing that pisses me off is that there was never a vote on a hard Brexit or a soft brexit. It was simply stay in or get out but of course the remoaners then started the business of wanting everything but because they lost. Frankly it has all become boring. Why not have a 2nd general election after having one and then the losers finding every reason to have a 2nd simply because they lost. If this does go to another referendum then decocracy as we have know it will be dead. 

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28/09/2018 at 13:33

Clearer by the day that it's really now about party politics, not about what 'the little man' voted for and wanted.
Democracy eh?
Finally died 2018. RIP.  

The fish rots from the head #AllamOut 

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29/09/2018 at 13:33

Quote Quote by sunn40 on 28/09/2018 at 11:40
If this does go to another referendum then democracy as we have know it will be dead.


Agreed. 

Now then... 

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