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NationalTiger

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#31
23/09/2018 at 12:51

Quote Quote by sunn40 on 23/09/2018 at 12:40
Fuck Brexit, lets just get out once and for all.


Your point on the matter has been noted, sunn40. 

Now then... 

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#33
23/09/2018 at 14:27

fuck off nonce 

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#35
23/09/2018 at 14:41

Sigh


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25/09/2018 at 12:15

Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 13:42


Life will go on. Let it go, fuck em off. What does the Uk have in common with Lithuania anyway FFS. Britain has never really been European so why pretend it is.


We are European and Hull has traded with Northern Europe for a thousand years but to put the EU into context we have only been in this federal Europe nonsense for 46 years, fuck all in history.

We've successfully traded with Europe outside the EU before, the Hanseatic League lasted over 300 years, I'd accept a Canada style trade agreement tomorrow and free the UK to be an independent global nation again.  

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25/09/2018 at 12:54

Some of us voted in 1974/75 to join the Common Market or not, which is nothing like what we are tangled up in today. 

Post edited on 25/09/2018 at 13:03 by karlberg

link; www.finesse-internet.co.uk/the-best-trip/ (THE BOOK THE CLUB REFUSED TO SELL). 

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25/09/2018 at 13:14

Quote Quote by karlberg on 25/09/2018 at 12:54
Some of us voted in 1974/75 to join the Common Market or not, which is nothing like what we are tangled up in today.


Yes I hear you. Many of us voted for many things over the years which seem not to have happened. Yet still the two main political parties remain in contention, despite failing on multiple occasions to do as they promised.


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25/09/2018 at 13:17

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 25/09/2018 at 12:15


We are European and Hull has traded with Northern Europe for a thousand years but to put the EU into context we have only been in this federal Europe nonsense for 46 years, fuck all in history.

We've successfully traded with Europe outside the EU before, the Hanseatic League lasted over 300 years, I'd accept a Canada style trade agreement tomorrow and free the UK to be an independent global nation again.


Member cities of the Hanseatic league followed rules and regulations to allow free, reputable trade within it. Harmonisation and standardisation are what allows free trade as it means you're not buying a shipload of rotten fish or stale wine.

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25/09/2018 at 14:17

Quote Quote by essexgull on 25/09/2018 at 13:17


Member cities of the Hanseatic league followed rules and regulations to allow free, reputable trade within it. Harmonisation and standardisation are what allows free trade as it means you're not buying a shipload of rotten fish or stale wine.

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There you go Gull, countries manage to maintain trading standards without the federal bureauctic net contributor nightmare of the EU. Brexit can't come soon enough.  

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25/09/2018 at 15:47

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 25/09/2018 at 14:17


There you go Gull, countries manage to maintain trading standards without the federal bureauctic net contributor nightmare of the EU. Brexit can't come soon enough.


Err, Ted old bean, the Hanseatic League had it's own laws, diplomats, armies, legal system, security and membership costs... all which superceded the laws of the country that the city states existed in.


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25/09/2018 at 16:28

It did, based on Viking trade routes around the Baltic, in a pre-empire days when Hull was more important than Liverpool & Bristol. It was far more agile than the current pan-Europe EU mess. I'm just highlighting trade agreements work without full federation.  

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25/09/2018 at 17:42

If needs be we’ll fight the French with our scollop boats. It will be like Dunkirk all over again. 

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26/09/2018 at 01:35

Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 13:42
Brexit is like religion, abortion, marmite and Bobby Doyle. You are either in or out, but in any event, probably not worth arguing the point anymore.


I know a number of people, myself included, who switched between in and out for weeks before the vote, like a relentlessly endless version of the hokey cokey. Look back on this site (other board) as far back as you can get, and you'll see posts from me demonstrating my contempt and loathing for the whole corrupt edifice. And yet, in the end, I voted remain, although I did that feeling adequately convinced that the whole thing will fail within the decade, leaving the UK and myself not responsible for its end. As a waverer, I was not disappointed by the result and I'm happy to accept the democratic verdict. In fact, if there is a second vote, I may well vote out as a finger to those remainers not prepared to accept the democratic decision.

Then again, who knows? 

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26/09/2018 at 08:47

I must be one of the few on here who actually voted the first time round ( see earlier post) I campaigned against joining purely on the mandate that by joining it would end deep sea fishing from Hull ( or anywhere else in Britain) if we joined the Common Market as it was called. This obviously was a correct call at the time by those against joining.

From memory it was Ted Heath who first launched this idea with tales of all the wonderful produce that would be cheaply available to us if we joined the 'continent' I remember watching news reels of piles of exotic fruits and wines etc, but none of mass unchecked immigration, or Britain paying millions upon millions of pounds annually to join, or being ruled/dictated too from Brussels, and if we had of done I doubt if we would have joined in the first place.
For a while I remember 'them' sending us free cheese from the food mountains that were stockpiled somewhere in Europe. We now have food banks of our own of a different type.
40 odd years the truth finally dawned that it was all a lie, and we voted again, and this time to come out. Now those who dont like the result of the referendum want and are demanding another one. I dont remember a similiar call in 1975 ?

link; www.finesse-internet.co.uk/the-best-trip/ (THE BOOK THE CLUB REFUSED TO SELL). 

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26/09/2018 at 09:55

How much has the EU invested in Hull and other deprived parts of the UK? Would the Conservative and New Labour governments have invested the same amounts over the last 3 decades?

Fishing is a complicated one - part EU rules, but largely lack of investment or a adequate national strategy had an effect - Norway and Iceland have fishing quite central to their economies and government policy, UK governments since the mid-1970s have pushed it to the side. More Brits have worked for Poundland than in the fishing industry in the last 15 years - despite being in the news, it's contribution to the British economy is minimal now.



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26/09/2018 at 11:53

Quote Quote by karlberg on 26/09/2018 at 08:47
I must be one of the few on here who actually voted the first time round ( see earlier post) I campaigned against joining purely on the mandate that by joining it would end deep sea fishing from Hull ( or anywhere else in Britain) if we joined the Common Market as it was called. This obviously was a correct call at the time by those against joining.

From memory it was Ted Heath who first launched this idea with tales of all the wonderful produce that would be cheaply available to us if we joined the 'continent' I remember watching news reels of piles of exotic fruits and wines etc, but none of mass unchecked immigration, or Britain paying millions upon millions of pounds annually to join, or being ruled/dictated too from Brussels, and if we had of done I doubt if we would have joined in the first place.
For a while I remember 'them' sending us free cheese from the food mountains that were stockpiled somewhere in Europe. We now have food banks of our own of a different type.
40 odd years the truth finally dawned that it was all a lie, and we voted again, and this time to come out. Now those who dont like the result of the referendum want and are demanding another one. I dont remember a similiar call in 1975 ?


I voted to remain in the EEC as I worked in a shipping office at the time and saw the advantages of being able to ship containers through with a TIR plate on without everything but loaded and unloaded at ports.
Unfortunately Hull dockers cut their own throats with their attitudes and the building of the Humber Bridge and Immingham saw containers taken directly to places like Stourton at Wakefield.
The EU didn't screw Hull or Grimsby for deep sea fishing, it was the Icelandic Cod Wars, though the Common Fisheries Policy has done untold harm and let other countries plunder our waters whilst we are restricted.
Both Wilson and Heath lied. They both knew the eventual aim of creating an EU state and documents have revealed they both kept that quiet. Looking back anything that saw such divergent figures as Benn and Powell campaigning against it should have set alarm bells ringing. Wilson said he wouldn't take no for an answer and keep going back u til they said yes. So it made no difference Heath being in. The previous Labour Leader was firmly against joining the EEC.  

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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