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21/09/2018 at 09:54

Not looking good for us Brits at the moment.


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21/09/2018 at 11:10

Why? We are still leaving aren't we? 

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21/09/2018 at 11:16

... I'm listening to LBC a lot these days. Interesting station to listen to. So hard to really know that the hell is going on. And the exposed continuing scaremongering is ridiculous. Some folks make a big issue of the leave campaign having lied or misled. The fact is the remainers also continue to lie and mislead (just as much if not probably a lot more).
Is May now going to get her comeuppance for managing to come up with a proposal that basically pissed all sides off (here and in EU)?
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21/09/2018 at 11:22

I think the problem has been lack of education. The EU and the single market were conflated by many as one.

The single market is like a firewall that acts as protection via regulatory controls and standardisation of what is brought inside the single market. There can be no logical way that this is a bad thing - there's a reason why all drugs we buy from the chemist are quality and not out of date etc. It enables fresh produce to come into the UK immediately without need for extra checks. It is clearly worth paying a membership fee to be in this.

The EU, although tied with the single market, is something else.

There are valid reasons to leave the EU. There is a way to do it in a way that does not disrupt the UK economy. Its not being done.

If there is a hard, no deal Brexit, the Tory party will not get back in power for a decade, due to the fall out from it.


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 21/09/2018 at 09:54
Not looking good for us Brits at the moment.


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Us Brits? You are supposedly in Norway with no intention of coming back. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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21/09/2018 at 19:42

Quote Quote by essexgull on 21/09/2018 at 11:22
I think the problem has been lack of education. The EU and the single market were conflated by many as one.

The single market is like a firewall that acts as protection via regulatory controls and standardisation of what is brought inside the single market. There can be no logical way that this is a bad thing - there's a reason why all drugs we buy from the chemist are quality and not out of date etc. It enables fresh produce to come into the UK immediately without need for extra checks. It is clearly worth paying a membership fee to be in this.

The EU, although tied with the single market, is something else.

There are valid reasons to leave the EU. There is a way to do it in a way that does not disrupt the UK economy. Its not being done.

If there is a hard, no deal Brexit, the Tory party will not get back in power for a decade, due to the fall out from it.


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A complex debate essentially boils down to this;

Deal or no deal?

Get Noel Edmonds on the case and we've cracked it. 

Now then... 

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Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 21/09/2018 at 19:42


A complex debate essentially boils down to this;

Deal or no deal?

Get Noel Edmonds on the case and we've cracked it.


Needs Dr Allam's involvement. Would be sorted in 24 hours. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 08:20


Needs Dr Allam's involvement. Would be sorted in 24 hours.


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He probably thinks he could too. Or at least Enob would.
Shortening it to the EUStateofEuropeanNations to start with.  

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22/09/2018 at 09:20

Nah, wouldn't work.

The Allams don't offer any concessions. 

Now then... 

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22/09/2018 at 09:27

No politics on this thread please, old bean.

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22/09/2018 at 09:52

wrong board. 

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Quote Quote by sunn40 on 22/09/2018 at 09:52
wrong board.


Alexa - define petty.


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 22/09/2018 at 11:22


Alexa - define petty.


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Alexa- tell us what the fuck Brexit has to do with someone supposedly living in Norway who says he will not be returning? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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22/09/2018 at 13:29

The first and only time I encountered Alexa, the only questions I could think of was "Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp? Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? Who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop? Who put the dip in the dip da dip da dip?" (Though obviously I didn't remember it verbatim). On the plus side, the answer, whatever it was, impressed me. 

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I thought you was going to say “on the B side”.... maybe someone knows.

Brexit is like religion, abortion, marmite and Bobby Doyle. You are either in or out, but in any event, probably not worth arguing the point anymore.

Aside from a hard border issue with N. Ireland and Eire, it should be a piece of piss. Maybe make N. Ireland a special administrative region like Hong Kong, Macau, although I’m fucked if I know why I’m proposing that on this forum, unless the pies are coming from Eire or something.

Life will go on. Let it go, fuck em off. What does the Uk have in common with Lithuania anyway FFS. Britain has never really been European so why pretend it is. As for them other silly fuckers Labour spouting they will pick it up and deal with it... jeez, what wankers.

Where is the Green Party? 

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22/09/2018 at 13:58

The problem is that it isn't that simple. There's over 40 years of regulation, harmonisation, development and financial links tying the UK in with the EU. I think if the fall-out was to directly affect the value of pensions as it will the economy of those of working age, then the vote would have gone differently. Why should a section of society have their economy ring-fenced, whilst everyone else suffers?


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 22/09/2018 at 13:58
The problem is that it isn't that simple. There's over 40 years of regulation, harmonisation, development and financial links tying the UK in with the EU. I think if the fall-out was to directly affect the value of pensions as it will the economy of those of working age, then the vote would have gone differently. Why should a section of society have their economy ring-fenced, whilst everyone else suffers?


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You mean ring fenced like surgeons and others were whilst the pensions of the people whose taxes subsidise them were destroyed by Gordon Brown? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 22/09/2018 at 13:29
The first and only time I encountered Alexa, the only questions I could think of was "Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp? Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? Who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop? Who put the dip in the dip da dip da dip?" (Though obviously I didn't remember it verbatim). On the plus side, the answer, whatever it was, impressed me.


What was it? The Barry Mann original or the Viscounts? (That bit of knowledge once won us the tie breaker in a pop music quiz down the pub.) 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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22/09/2018 at 14:54

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 14:15


What was it? The Barry Mann original or the Viscounts? (That bit of knowledge once won us the tie breaker in a pop music quiz down the pub.)


It wasn't version specific. I just used some of the lyrics to ask the question. The answer, IIRC, just mentioned someone's baby falling in love with them, but nicely phrased. 

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22/09/2018 at 16:08

Meanwhile we are shite against Reading. Can't we just get out the championship and leave Brexit to Cheats who seems to have the right idea. 

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essexgull

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23/09/2018 at 07:54

Time for the man children of the UK to grow up. Paying a net £8 billion to facilitate £270 billion worth of trade is worth it.

Governments since the 1980s have failed to protect British populace by weakening unions, reducing public services and reducing social housing. The blame has been placed on the EU by the right wing press and this has now been proved to be clearly false. The EU is not forcing policepersons to arrest social media users for misgendering others, nor is it forcing kebab shop owners to molest school children.

Brits just don't like being told facts. The sweet lie is easier to swallow than the hard truth.


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23/09/2018 at 08:11

Quote Quote by essexgull on 22/09/2018 at 13:58
The problem is that it isn't that simple. There's over 40 years of regulation, harmonisation, development and financial links tying the UK in with the EU. I think if the fall-out was to directly affect the value of pensions as it will the economy of those of working age, then the vote would have gone differently. Why should a section of society have their economy ring-fenced, whilst everyone else suffers?


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You wouldn't go to a restaurant, order a meal and then have the starter, main and dessert course all at the same time, would you?

Brexit is a process, not a dam. 

Now then... 

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Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 23/09/2018 at 08:11


You wouldn't go to a restaurant, order a meal and then have the starter, main and dessert course all at the same time, would you?

Brexit is a process, not a dam.


Which is why I support the EEA membership option and staggered departure. Not the cliff edge no-deal departure that results in the UK having the third country status, along with Mauritania. May has lost logic and at the mercy of Tory backbenchers who are hoodwinking the British public to support disaster capitalism.


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 23/09/2018 at 08:48


Which is why I support the EEA membership option and staggered departure. Not the cliff edge no-deal departure that results in the UK having the third country status, along with Mauritania. May has lost logic and at the mercy of Tory backbenchers who are hoodwinking the British public to support disaster capitalism.


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You still haven't explained what it has to do with someone who has supposedly left the country and has no intention of returning.
Though you have demonstrated previously your obsession, and knowledge of, a city and football club you allegedly have no connection with. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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23/09/2018 at 11:32

Quote Quote by essexgull on 23/09/2018 at 08:48


Which is why I support the EEA membership option and staggered departure. Not the cliff edge no-deal departure that results in the UK having the third country status, along with Mauritania. May has lost logic and at the mercy of Tory backbenchers who are hoodwinking the British public to support disaster capitalism.


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I've no truck with that, as long as, when the time is right and nobody is working with a gun to their head and deadlines to meet, the UK can properly cut the EU/EEA/Common Market wheat from the chaff. If the UK are agreeing to pay a £39m divorce bill, at least get the Brexit deal we want from it. After all, we're paying for it.

I'm still deliberating on the point that 'no deal' is better than a 'bad deal'. I've yet to satisfy my status on this matter. 

Now then... 

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23/09/2018 at 12:36

No deal will destroy British farming. They won't be able to export fresh produce, milk and meat to the EU. It will crash the UK market as they have to sell it at whatever price the buyer wants and then will go bankrupt. Prices will soar the year as there will be few farmers left in business.


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... The year after...


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23/09/2018 at 12:40

Come on Nash, this isn't anything to do with football and frankly Im sick of hearing about it everyday never mind on here. Isnt that what the other board is for if not football related. Fuck Brexit, lets just get out once and for all. 

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23/09/2018 at 12:44

No deal also means no divorce payment for subsidies.

However, I agree, this is very much a short term gain, long term pain.

Honestly, I think there will be a deal anyway.

There's always, posturing and bravado at this late stage to save face on both sides, but ultimately, a deal will be struck.

But let's see. 

Now then... 

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Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 23/09/2018 at 12:44
No deal also means no divorce payment for subsidies.

However, I agree, this is very much a short term gain, long term pain.

Honestly, I think there will be a deal anyway.

There's always, posturing and bravado at this late stage to save face on both sides, but ultimately, a deal will be struck.

But let's see.


I hope so, matey old bean. Don't want to see the old country sink into the nordsjų.


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Quote Quote by sunn40 on 23/09/2018 at 12:40
Fuck Brexit, lets just get out once and for all.


Your point on the matter has been noted, sunn40. 

Now then... 

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23/09/2018 at 14:27

fuck off nonce 

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Sigh


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Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 13:42


Life will go on. Let it go, fuck em off. What does the Uk have in common with Lithuania anyway FFS. Britain has never really been European so why pretend it is.


We are European and Hull has traded with Northern Europe for a thousand years but to put the EU into context we have only been in this federal Europe nonsense for 46 years, fuck all in history.

We've successfully traded with Europe outside the EU before, the Hanseatic League lasted over 300 years, I'd accept a Canada style trade agreement tomorrow and free the UK to be an independent global nation again.  

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Some of us voted in 1974/75 to join the Common Market or not, which is nothing like what we are tangled up in today. 

Post edited on 25/09/2018 at 13:03 by karlberg

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Quote Quote by karlberg on 25/09/2018 at 12:54
Some of us voted in 1974/75 to join the Common Market or not, which is nothing like what we are tangled up in today.


Yes I hear you. Many of us voted for many things over the years which seem not to have happened. Yet still the two main political parties remain in contention, despite failing on multiple occasions to do as they promised.


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We are European and Hull has traded with Northern Europe for a thousand years but to put the EU into context we have only been in this federal Europe nonsense for 46 years, fuck all in history.

We've successfully traded with Europe outside the EU before, the Hanseatic League lasted over 300 years, I'd accept a Canada style trade agreement tomorrow and free the UK to be an independent global nation again.


Member cities of the Hanseatic league followed rules and regulations to allow free, reputable trade within it. Harmonisation and standardisation are what allows free trade as it means you're not buying a shipload of rotten fish or stale wine.

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 25/09/2018 at 13:17


Member cities of the Hanseatic league followed rules and regulations to allow free, reputable trade within it. Harmonisation and standardisation are what allows free trade as it means you're not buying a shipload of rotten fish or stale wine.

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There you go Gull, countries manage to maintain trading standards without the federal bureauctic net contributor nightmare of the EU. Brexit can't come soon enough.  

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Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 25/09/2018 at 14:17


There you go Gull, countries manage to maintain trading standards without the federal bureauctic net contributor nightmare of the EU. Brexit can't come soon enough.


Err, Ted old bean, the Hanseatic League had it's own laws, diplomats, armies, legal system, security and membership costs... all which superceded the laws of the country that the city states existed in.


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25/09/2018 at 16:28

It did, based on Viking trade routes around the Baltic, in a pre-empire days when Hull was more important than Liverpool & Bristol. It was far more agile than the current pan-Europe EU mess. I'm just highlighting trade agreements work without full federation.  

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If needs be we’ll fight the French with our scollop boats. It will be like Dunkirk all over again. 

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Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 13:42
Brexit is like religion, abortion, marmite and Bobby Doyle. You are either in or out, but in any event, probably not worth arguing the point anymore.


I know a number of people, myself included, who switched between in and out for weeks before the vote, like a relentlessly endless version of the hokey cokey. Look back on this site (other board) as far back as you can get, and you'll see posts from me demonstrating my contempt and loathing for the whole corrupt edifice. And yet, in the end, I voted remain, although I did that feeling adequately convinced that the whole thing will fail within the decade, leaving the UK and myself not responsible for its end. As a waverer, I was not disappointed by the result and I'm happy to accept the democratic verdict. In fact, if there is a second vote, I may well vote out as a finger to those remainers not prepared to accept the democratic decision.

Then again, who knows? 

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I must be one of the few on here who actually voted the first time round ( see earlier post) I campaigned against joining purely on the mandate that by joining it would end deep sea fishing from Hull ( or anywhere else in Britain) if we joined the Common Market as it was called. This obviously was a correct call at the time by those against joining.

From memory it was Ted Heath who first launched this idea with tales of all the wonderful produce that would be cheaply available to us if we joined the 'continent' I remember watching news reels of piles of exotic fruits and wines etc, but none of mass unchecked immigration, or Britain paying millions upon millions of pounds annually to join, or being ruled/dictated too from Brussels, and if we had of done I doubt if we would have joined in the first place.
For a while I remember 'them' sending us free cheese from the food mountains that were stockpiled somewhere in Europe. We now have food banks of our own of a different type.
40 odd years the truth finally dawned that it was all a lie, and we voted again, and this time to come out. Now those who dont like the result of the referendum want and are demanding another one. I dont remember a similiar call in 1975 ?

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How much has the EU invested in Hull and other deprived parts of the UK? Would the Conservative and New Labour governments have invested the same amounts over the last 3 decades?

Fishing is a complicated one - part EU rules, but largely lack of investment or a adequate national strategy had an effect - Norway and Iceland have fishing quite central to their economies and government policy, UK governments since the mid-1970s have pushed it to the side. More Brits have worked for Poundland than in the fishing industry in the last 15 years - despite being in the news, it's contribution to the British economy is minimal now.



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Quote Quote by karlberg on 26/09/2018 at 08:47
I must be one of the few on here who actually voted the first time round ( see earlier post) I campaigned against joining purely on the mandate that by joining it would end deep sea fishing from Hull ( or anywhere else in Britain) if we joined the Common Market as it was called. This obviously was a correct call at the time by those against joining.

From memory it was Ted Heath who first launched this idea with tales of all the wonderful produce that would be cheaply available to us if we joined the 'continent' I remember watching news reels of piles of exotic fruits and wines etc, but none of mass unchecked immigration, or Britain paying millions upon millions of pounds annually to join, or being ruled/dictated too from Brussels, and if we had of done I doubt if we would have joined in the first place.
For a while I remember 'them' sending us free cheese from the food mountains that were stockpiled somewhere in Europe. We now have food banks of our own of a different type.
40 odd years the truth finally dawned that it was all a lie, and we voted again, and this time to come out. Now those who dont like the result of the referendum want and are demanding another one. I dont remember a similiar call in 1975 ?


I voted to remain in the EEC as I worked in a shipping office at the time and saw the advantages of being able to ship containers through with a TIR plate on without everything but loaded and unloaded at ports.
Unfortunately Hull dockers cut their own throats with their attitudes and the building of the Humber Bridge and Immingham saw containers taken directly to places like Stourton at Wakefield.
The EU didn't screw Hull or Grimsby for deep sea fishing, it was the Icelandic Cod Wars, though the Common Fisheries Policy has done untold harm and let other countries plunder our waters whilst we are restricted.
Both Wilson and Heath lied. They both knew the eventual aim of creating an EU state and documents have revealed they both kept that quiet. Looking back anything that saw such divergent figures as Benn and Powell campaigning against it should have set alarm bells ringing. Wilson said he wouldn't take no for an answer and keep going back u til they said yes. So it made no difference Heath being in. The previous Labour Leader was firmly against joining the EEC.  

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 09:55
How much has the EU invested in Hull and other deprived parts of the UK? Would the Conservative and New Labour governments have invested the same amounts over the last 3 decades?

Fishing is a complicated one - part EU rules, but largely lack of investment or a adequate national strategy had an effect - Norway and Iceland have fishing quite central to their economies and government policy, UK governments since the mid-1970s have pushed it to the side. More Brits have worked for Poundland than in the fishing industry in the last 15 years - despite being in the news, it's contribution to the British economy is minimal now.



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I wasn't so much bothered about the national economy, more the Hull economy. But. as you say, too many unionised short-sighted (the seventies was awash with them - polarised parties unable and unwilling to compromise for their own good) groups shot themselves in both feet. 

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Quote Quote by karlberg on 26/09/2018 at 08:47
I must be one of the few on here who actually voted the first time round ( see earlier post) I campaigned against joining purely on the mandate that by joining it would end deep sea fishing from Hull ( or anywhere else in Britain) if we joined the Common Market as it was called. This obviously was a correct call at the time by those against joining.


I wasn't old enough to vote, but the school I was at had a mock version. Predictably, the verdict was an overwhelming Stay In vote. I voted Out and persuaded the left-most person in my year to do likewise. 

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 26/09/2018 at 12:33


I wasn't so much bothered about the national economy, more the Hull economy. But. as you say, too many unionised short-sighted (the seventies was awash with them - polarised parties unable and unwilling to compromise for their own good) groups shot themselves in both feet.


Yes totally, government, unions, companies and regions were at war with each other, rather than looking outwards. Very typical. There was a huge element of blame that laid with UK fishing companies who refused to listen to 'science' regarding dwindling fish stocks and over-fishing - greed and desperation, rather than long term thinking.

Wild catch has remained relatively static over the last two decades, so the industry isn't a growth industry anymore, so really focusing on it for the UK is pointless. A few thousand employees and around £300 million industry. Fish farming is another matter though. Asia's consumption of fish-based protein is rocketing.

Thatcher started it and Blair continued it, the growth of the South and South East at the expense of the North. Then minimum wage workers and those in need of help having to pay the price for the greed of the banking and credit sector has made things worse, relating to Garrrry's post on foodbanks. I just don't see the EU as being responsible for this.


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 26/09/2018 at 09:55
How much has the EU invested in Hull and other deprived parts of the UK? Would the Conservative and New Labour governments have invested the same amounts over the last 3 decades?

Fishing is a complicated one - part EU rules, but largely lack of investment or a adequate national strategy had an effect - Norway and Iceland have fishing quite central to their economies and government policy, UK governments since the mid-1970s have pushed it to the side. More Brits have worked for Poundland than in the fishing industry in the last 15 years - despite being in the news, it's contribution to the British economy is minimal now.





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The fishing industry in Hull alone employed 10,000 people at its height. Then there is the knock on effect of supplying all the small, and not so small engineering companies with stock. I don't think the two Hull branches of Poundland in Hull even with it's part time, minimum wage staff, even touched that figure.
I dont remember a massive Trade Union movement in the fishing trade either.
I dont think the city of Hull has recovered yet from losing such a huge industry. Also it is my belief that Europe needs Britain more than we need them.
You lost the vote, as people like me did in 1975, so like us, accept it and move on. That was my point. 

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I didn't lose the vote, Garry. I didn't vote for the Brexit which May and the Conservatives are driving towards. Remain is a better option.


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