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essexgull

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21/09/2018 at 09:54

Not looking good for us Brits at the moment.


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21/09/2018 at 11:10

Why? We are still leaving aren't we? 

The fish rots from the head #AllamOut 

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21/09/2018 at 11:16

... I'm listening to LBC a lot these days. Interesting station to listen to. So hard to really know that the hell is going on. And the exposed continuing scaremongering is ridiculous. Some folks make a big issue of the leave campaign having lied or misled. The fact is the remainers also continue to lie and mislead (just as much if not probably a lot more).
Is May now going to get her comeuppance for managing to come up with a proposal that basically pissed all sides off (here and in EU)?
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21/09/2018 at 11:22

I think the problem has been lack of education. The EU and the single market were conflated by many as one.

The single market is like a firewall that acts as protection via regulatory controls and standardisation of what is brought inside the single market. There can be no logical way that this is a bad thing - there's a reason why all drugs we buy from the chemist are quality and not out of date etc. It enables fresh produce to come into the UK immediately without need for extra checks. It is clearly worth paying a membership fee to be in this.

The EU, although tied with the single market, is something else.

There are valid reasons to leave the EU. There is a way to do it in a way that does not disrupt the UK economy. Its not being done.

If there is a hard, no deal Brexit, the Tory party will not get back in power for a decade, due to the fall out from it.


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21/09/2018 at 19:37

Quote Quote by essexgull on 21/09/2018 at 09:54
Not looking good for us Brits at the moment.


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Us Brits? You are supposedly in Norway with no intention of coming back. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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21/09/2018 at 19:42

Quote Quote by essexgull on 21/09/2018 at 11:22
I think the problem has been lack of education. The EU and the single market were conflated by many as one.

The single market is like a firewall that acts as protection via regulatory controls and standardisation of what is brought inside the single market. There can be no logical way that this is a bad thing - there's a reason why all drugs we buy from the chemist are quality and not out of date etc. It enables fresh produce to come into the UK immediately without need for extra checks. It is clearly worth paying a membership fee to be in this.

The EU, although tied with the single market, is something else.

There are valid reasons to leave the EU. There is a way to do it in a way that does not disrupt the UK economy. Its not being done.

If there is a hard, no deal Brexit, the Tory party will not get back in power for a decade, due to the fall out from it.


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A complex debate essentially boils down to this;

Deal or no deal?

Get Noel Edmonds on the case and we've cracked it. 

Now then... 

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22/09/2018 at 08:20

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 21/09/2018 at 19:42


A complex debate essentially boils down to this;

Deal or no deal?

Get Noel Edmonds on the case and we've cracked it.


Needs Dr Allam's involvement. Would be sorted in 24 hours. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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22/09/2018 at 08:27

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 08:20


Needs Dr Allam's involvement. Would be sorted in 24 hours.


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He probably thinks he could too. Or at least Enob would.
Shortening it to the EUStateofEuropeanNations to start with.  

The fish rots from the head #AllamOut 

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22/09/2018 at 09:20

Nah, wouldn't work.

The Allams don't offer any concessions. 

Now then... 

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essexgull

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22/09/2018 at 09:27

No politics on this thread please, old bean.

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22/09/2018 at 09:52

wrong board. 

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essexgull

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22/09/2018 at 11:22

Quote Quote by sunn40 on 22/09/2018 at 09:52
wrong board.


Alexa - define petty.


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22/09/2018 at 12:14

Quote Quote by essexgull on 22/09/2018 at 11:22


Alexa - define petty.


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Alexa- tell us what the fuck Brexit has to do with someone supposedly living in Norway who says he will not be returning? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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22/09/2018 at 13:29

The first and only time I encountered Alexa, the only questions I could think of was "Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp? Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? Who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop? Who put the dip in the dip da dip da dip?" (Though obviously I didn't remember it verbatim). On the plus side, the answer, whatever it was, impressed me. 

>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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22/09/2018 at 13:42

I thought you was going to say “on the B side”.... maybe someone knows.

Brexit is like religion, abortion, marmite and Bobby Doyle. You are either in or out, but in any event, probably not worth arguing the point anymore.

Aside from a hard border issue with N. Ireland and Eire, it should be a piece of piss. Maybe make N. Ireland a special administrative region like Hong Kong, Macau, although I’m fucked if I know why I’m proposing that on this forum, unless the pies are coming from Eire or something.

Life will go on. Let it go, fuck em off. What does the Uk have in common with Lithuania anyway FFS. Britain has never really been European so why pretend it is. As for them other silly fuckers Labour spouting they will pick it up and deal with it... jeez, what wankers.

Where is the Green Party? 

Bunkers Hill - See you in the next life 

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essexgull

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22/09/2018 at 13:58

The problem is that it isn't that simple. There's over 40 years of regulation, harmonisation, development and financial links tying the UK in with the EU. I think if the fall-out was to directly affect the value of pensions as it will the economy of those of working age, then the vote would have gone differently. Why should a section of society have their economy ring-fenced, whilst everyone else suffers?


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22/09/2018 at 14:11

Quote Quote by essexgull on 22/09/2018 at 13:58
The problem is that it isn't that simple. There's over 40 years of regulation, harmonisation, development and financial links tying the UK in with the EU. I think if the fall-out was to directly affect the value of pensions as it will the economy of those of working age, then the vote would have gone differently. Why should a section of society have their economy ring-fenced, whilst everyone else suffers?


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You mean ring fenced like surgeons and others were whilst the pensions of the people whose taxes subsidise them were destroyed by Gordon Brown? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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22/09/2018 at 14:15

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 22/09/2018 at 13:29
The first and only time I encountered Alexa, the only questions I could think of was "Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp? Who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? Who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop? Who put the dip in the dip da dip da dip?" (Though obviously I didn't remember it verbatim). On the plus side, the answer, whatever it was, impressed me.


What was it? The Barry Mann original or the Viscounts? (That bit of knowledge once won us the tie breaker in a pop music quiz down the pub.) 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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22/09/2018 at 14:54

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 22/09/2018 at 14:15


What was it? The Barry Mann original or the Viscounts? (That bit of knowledge once won us the tie breaker in a pop music quiz down the pub.)


It wasn't version specific. I just used some of the lyrics to ask the question. The answer, IIRC, just mentioned someone's baby falling in love with them, but nicely phrased. 

Post edited on 22/09/2018 at 14:57 by theotherphantom

>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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22/09/2018 at 16:08

Meanwhile we are shite against Reading. Can't we just get out the championship and leave Brexit to Cheats who seems to have the right idea. 

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essexgull

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23/09/2018 at 07:54

Time for the man children of the UK to grow up. Paying a net £8 billion to facilitate £270 billion worth of trade is worth it.

Governments since the 1980s have failed to protect British populace by weakening unions, reducing public services and reducing social housing. The blame has been placed on the EU by the right wing press and this has now been proved to be clearly false. The EU is not forcing policepersons to arrest social media users for misgendering others, nor is it forcing kebab shop owners to molest school children.

Brits just don't like being told facts. The sweet lie is easier to swallow than the hard truth.


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23/09/2018 at 08:11

Quote Quote by essexgull on 22/09/2018 at 13:58
The problem is that it isn't that simple. There's over 40 years of regulation, harmonisation, development and financial links tying the UK in with the EU. I think if the fall-out was to directly affect the value of pensions as it will the economy of those of working age, then the vote would have gone differently. Why should a section of society have their economy ring-fenced, whilst everyone else suffers?


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You wouldn't go to a restaurant, order a meal and then have the starter, main and dessert course all at the same time, would you?

Brexit is a process, not a dam. 

Now then... 

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essexgull

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23/09/2018 at 08:48

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 23/09/2018 at 08:11


You wouldn't go to a restaurant, order a meal and then have the starter, main and dessert course all at the same time, would you?

Brexit is a process, not a dam.


Which is why I support the EEA membership option and staggered departure. Not the cliff edge no-deal departure that results in the UK having the third country status, along with Mauritania. May has lost logic and at the mercy of Tory backbenchers who are hoodwinking the British public to support disaster capitalism.


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23/09/2018 at 09:34

Quote Quote by essexgull on 23/09/2018 at 08:48


Which is why I support the EEA membership option and staggered departure. Not the cliff edge no-deal departure that results in the UK having the third country status, along with Mauritania. May has lost logic and at the mercy of Tory backbenchers who are hoodwinking the British public to support disaster capitalism.


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You still haven't explained what it has to do with someone who has supposedly left the country and has no intention of returning.
Though you have demonstrated previously your obsession, and knowledge of, a city and football club you allegedly have no connection with. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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23/09/2018 at 11:32

Quote Quote by essexgull on 23/09/2018 at 08:48


Which is why I support the EEA membership option and staggered departure. Not the cliff edge no-deal departure that results in the UK having the third country status, along with Mauritania. May has lost logic and at the mercy of Tory backbenchers who are hoodwinking the British public to support disaster capitalism.


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I've no truck with that, as long as, when the time is right and nobody is working with a gun to their head and deadlines to meet, the UK can properly cut the EU/EEA/Common Market wheat from the chaff. If the UK are agreeing to pay a £39m divorce bill, at least get the Brexit deal we want from it. After all, we're paying for it.

I'm still deliberating on the point that 'no deal' is better than a 'bad deal'. I've yet to satisfy my status on this matter. 

Now then... 

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essexgull

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23/09/2018 at 12:36

No deal will destroy British farming. They won't be able to export fresh produce, milk and meat to the EU. It will crash the UK market as they have to sell it at whatever price the buyer wants and then will go bankrupt. Prices will soar the year as there will be few farmers left in business.


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essexgull

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23/09/2018 at 12:37

... The year after...


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23/09/2018 at 12:40

Come on Nash, this isn't anything to do with football and frankly Im sick of hearing about it everyday never mind on here. Isnt that what the other board is for if not football related. Fuck Brexit, lets just get out once and for all. 

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23/09/2018 at 12:44

No deal also means no divorce payment for subsidies.

However, I agree, this is very much a short term gain, long term pain.

Honestly, I think there will be a deal anyway.

There's always, posturing and bravado at this late stage to save face on both sides, but ultimately, a deal will be struck.

But let's see. 

Now then... 

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23/09/2018 at 12:46

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 23/09/2018 at 12:44
No deal also means no divorce payment for subsidies.

However, I agree, this is very much a short term gain, long term pain.

Honestly, I think there will be a deal anyway.

There's always, posturing and bravado at this late stage to save face on both sides, but ultimately, a deal will be struck.

But let's see.


I hope so, matey old bean. Don't want to see the old country sink into the nordsjų.


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