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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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#16
06/09/2018 at 09:29

There is an interview with American owners of Cyril out there. Mirror image of our own charade. Lying through there teeth about the money, saying it’s going in from their pockets when it’s a loan, the word “sustainability” used a lot, fans don’t understand, they are the best owners, transfer shenanigans etc etc.

Fans can only wait until they get bored or run out of money themselves before getting the club back.

The best possibility is the take the Jan payment and walk away without any debt. There’s half a chance someone might take it on. Zero chance if they retain any interest in it.

Is anyone going to respond to the Guardian? The Trust still purporting to be the leading light so let’s see if they put pen to paper, otherwise it goes on record with some credibility, the Guardian not challenging the outrageous claims by the Allams. 

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06/09/2018 at 10:53

All but 3 Championship teams made huge losses last season (down from 4 the 16/17), very few fans are happy, yet still they consume. Essentially, the top two divisions are largely cannon fodder for the top 6 - financially and on a global support scale - check out the commercial income of those top 6 versus the rest of the entire professional league. Hull and most other teams are the bad guy extras, in non-speaking parts, in a Hollywood movie.

For Hull, there was a chance to do something different and break away from this in 2014, when CTWD moved from a protest group into a supporters group, and to turn it into a community club, certainly for the supporters, if the owners were not interested. The problem was, due to Thatcher, that too many were concerned about themselves - selfish individual gains refused to give way for a greater good. We know who they were, only ca. 1500 signed up to HCST - others couldn't be bothered, didn't want to give up their tiny power/influence, thought they knew better, allowed their egos to get in the way - the fanbase rejected the opportunity to unionise itself. Hull could have been the first club where the entire stadium walked out in disgust. The opportunity and tidal wave of emotion is now lost, replaced with complacency and depression. One town, one club and one Tiger disintegrated.




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#18
06/09/2018 at 10:58

As an addition to my previous post, the problem with the fanbase is apparent when we see that double the number of Hull fans attended a Carling Cup game when a boycott had been organised, compared to the Carling Cup game two weeks ago...

If the fans can't care that much about a club, then why should Allan.


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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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06/09/2018 at 11:39

Gullster, you might have a valid point about apathy, but lest we forget, that is off the back of a draining and lengthy resistance to the Hull Tigers farce.

Remarkably, so people still believe in the Hull Tigers myth, that hundreds of thousands of Asians would buy replic shirts and all would be great again in Tigerland, or at least Allamhouse.

The clear fact is that the present owners couldn’t manage a sweatshop, let alone a professional football club. They do not know what they need to do and any talk of the fans only being interested in the league position is a real indictment on them.

I read other MBs, usually when their team has lost just to chortle at the fuming brigade saying the ref was bent, even though they lost 0-5, but a clear thread is that fans are very frustrated by the actions or in actions of the owners, yet week in week out the attendances remain strong, despite many claiming to no longer attend because of the owners stance on many fronts.

It’s not only City who have apparently given up the chase. I have no doubt the Trust have the best of intentions and I joined the first year. One poster near the ground, then an email to the chairman asking to meet. Big fucking deal. As for the
OSC, complete embarrassment, unless you like subsidised out of date crisps on the trip to Barnsley, arriving at 2.58pm to avoid any nasty fans.

Another fact is, realistically all the protesting in the world can’t force them to sell. They lost the KC idea when surprisingly, the Freehold wasn’t free with a box of cornflakes, so that was it. Take the money back, fuck the fans up the arse, see ya.

Them having an uncontested platform to spout their bollocks is a disgrace on journalism but that’s the deal. Who in the support groups has the strength of character to call the Guardian for a corrective piece? Rhetorical question of course.

January... not long is it. 

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06/09/2018 at 12:02

Someone in a tie was seen getting off a National Express coach at Hull Paragon yesterday, so maybe there was a buyer for the club in town.

Although not sure who will pay £50 million for a squad worth around £10 million and a portacabin in Cottingham.

I don't understand why the Guardian didn't ask Allan if he felt any responsibility for the decline in relationship with the fans or the actual standing of the club, or why if better investment around transfer windows may have helped, enabling him an easier sale whilst the club was in the Premier league.


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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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06/09/2018 at 12:38

Or why the Chinese laundry couple got refused entry to the runners n riders club, or why they broke Prem rules on concessions, or why money set aside for City travelling fans was spent on the away quarter at the KC in a clear “fuck you”to the fans and the authorities, or why they appointed that joker Phelan as manager, or why they didn’t give Silva a firm two year deal regardless of the likely relegation ahead of him, or why they only took about £25m for Robertson and Maguire - two the prems shinning stars and worth probably north of £100m at today’s silly prices, or why they persist with the “move and it’s cheaper” mission statement.

So, so many questions.

You could list them and send them to the Allams, but I doubt they would even open the envelope. 

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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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06/09/2018 at 12:41

Quote Quote by essexgull on 06/09/2018 at 12:02
Someone in a tie was seen getting off a National Express coach at Hull Paragon yesterday, so maybe there was a buyer for the club in town.


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More foreign owners then. Hope she was of legal age. WowTalcSouth Korea

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#23
06/09/2018 at 15:28

Deal fell apart in the last hour, Cheats old bean, when Allan stated that the supply of Bic biros, the office stapler and Steve Bruce's old stress ball weren't included in the sale contract.


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06/09/2018 at 17:13

Quote Quote by essexgull on 06/09/2018 at 12:02
Someone in a tie was seen getting off a National Express coach at Hull Paragon yesterday, so maybe there was a buyer for the club in town.

Although not sure who will pay £50 million for a squad worth around £10 million and a portacabin in Cottingham.

I don't understand why the Guardian didn't ask Allan if he felt any responsibility for the decline in relationship with the fans or the actual standing of the club, or why if better investment around transfer windows may have helped, enabling him an easier sale whilst the club was in the Premier league.


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Because it wasn't David Conn handling the interview? 

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07/09/2018 at 11:32

Cheats. I will say this in defence of the City Trust. Geoff Bielby has tried his best to have a meaningful chat with this Herbert. But they refuse any contact with the trust and some of the other organisations. Discount the OSC because Allam has them in his pocket. Any bad words from any of their members and he would immediately withdraw any perks that they get. So in Geoffs case, unless the idiot agrees to speak to him what else can the Trust do? 

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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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07/09/2018 at 13:00

Exactly Sunn. Everyone knows they are never going to provide any way forward and have dicked the Trust about from day one. Who honestly thought the migration of CTWD to the Trust would allow them a seat at the table with the Allams? A bit naive to say the least.

To that end, as it’s being denied, take a more offensive route. I don’t know Bielby but I know of him. All this club/Trust work is thankless and I wouldn’t do it for anything but he’s not a man for the job of jolting the Allams in to something they don’t want to do.

Owners are owners and a feeble protest or two makes no difference. West Ham got on the pitch v Burnley. Allegedly coins thrown at the directors box. The cunts are still there and claiming they are the most successful and popular owners ever etc etc.

I know agree that total non-attendance would be the only message to send them. Napoli went silent for 43 mins in memory of the bridge collapse victims, everything is possible. Sad fact is, remarkably, there are still people out there that think the Allams’ shit doesn’t stink and if only we were now Hull Tigers we would be in the Premier League and doing just fine and dandy.

If the Trust doesn’t have a pair of bollocks then stand aside. As you say, the OSC is a farce, like the club. 

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#27
09/09/2018 at 18:40

Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 07/09/2018 at 13:00
If the Trust doesn’t have a pair of bollocks then stand aside. As you say, the OSC is a farce, like the club.


The problem is; the Trust isn't a protest group. Indeed, it should be working 'with' the club - not against it. Despite all the Trust's best efforts, it cannot bridge the gulf. Not for a lack of effort or want of trying, we all know why. The Allams point blank refuse to do anything that means compromise or concession (pun intended) for their part would take place.

Unfortunately for the Allams, EFL constitution states, were a trust exists at a football club, then a meeting must take place a minimum of twice a year between both parties. You can well imagine that's gone down like a shit sandwich with Ehab.

Right now, Supporters Direct and the Football Supporters Federation are well briefed and on the case. With the greatest respect, I fear both are like a dog with no teeth. But we'll see. 

Now then... 

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#28
09/09/2018 at 18:58

I have not renewed my membership of the trust. The pantomime starring the Allams, Geoff Bielby and a scarf was a mess.

External supporters groups bringing pressure, and the football league blustering about two meetings a year? Doubt they are losing sleep over that. 

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#29
09/09/2018 at 20:23

That's a pity potential, I'd urge you to reconsider. 

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09/09/2018 at 21:23

potential.

I've always regarded you as a long-time City fan, and a worthy poster in the CI tradition.

Don't give up the faith. 

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