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16/06/2018 at 01:30

There are no shades of grey as far as WADA is concerned. They have somehow cheated their way to the top, to become the single world arbitrator, and their unwavering, unnuanced rules, and their word is the only word.

This story illustrates why I want them all to die nastily and never be heard of again. I'd prefer to have the drug cheats than to have WADA's intransigent inhumanity. I hate them, probably more than any other body involved in sport. And that includes FIFA and the IOC.

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16/06/2018 at 10:06

To be fair, it’s like the IT nerd in the back office telling you to switch it off and switch it back on again when the PC is frozen versus the dudes hacking away on the dark web.

Drug cheating is so advanced they haven’t a hope in hell x 2 of getting on top of it.

All you can say is that generally taking drugs shortens your life, although apparently love is a drug, or something.

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16/06/2018 at 15:40

Poverty also shortens your life statistically ~ the failure of the war on poverty like the war on drugs suits those in power

WADA another QAUNGO of international self importance  

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16/06/2018 at 16:30

Quote Quote by RonGuv 66 on 16/06/2018 at 15:40
Poverty also shortens your life statistically ~ the failure of the war on poverty like the war on drugs suits those in power

WADA another QAUNGO of international self importance


Commies can't be very good at fighting poverty then as the life expectancy in Cuba and China is less than our supposedly poverty stricken country whilstthe longest life expectancy is in the arch capitalist country .Japan where they supposedly don't take holidays and work too long. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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16/06/2018 at 18:13

Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 16/06/2018 at 10:06
To be fair, it’s like the IT nerd in the back office telling you to switch it off and switch it back on again when the PC is frozen versus the dudes hacking away on the dark web.

Drug cheating is so advanced they haven’t a hope in hell x 2 of getting on top of it.

All you can say is that generally taking drugs shortens your life, although apparently love is a drug, or something.



Pardon. Drugs keep far more alive than they kill, Cheats old bean.


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16/06/2018 at 19:54

And, of course, the two most popular recreational drugs are the causes of the most deaths. 

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16/06/2018 at 20:31

It's not a subject that really bothers or affects me personally. The types of performance enhancing supplements that are and are not allowed seems somewhat arbitrary. As another poster wrote, Chinese pharma companies always seem to be one step ahead of the authorities anyway.

I've never smoked and rarely drink alcohol anymore. Genetically, prostate or bowel cancer is most likely to get me. I cut down on red meat and have eaten healthier from when I turned 40. Probably will go pescatarian, plus occasional game, in the near future, but due to not liking farming practice, rather than health reasons. I think middle-aged white males, such as myself, are given a hard time for wanting to eat healthy and continue exercise. We saw our parents become unhealthy pensioners, despite the NHS and good pensions, so want to be able to enjoy a healthy, active retirement.


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16/06/2018 at 21:50

Quote Quote by essexgull on 16/06/2018 at 20:31
It's not a subject that really bothers or affects me personally. The types of performance enhancing supplements that are and are not allowed seems somewhat arbitrary. As another poster wrote, Chinese pharma companies always seem to be one step ahead of the authorities anyway.

I've never smoked and rarely drink alcohol anymore. Genetically, prostate or bowel cancer is most likely to get me. I cut down on red meat and have eaten healthier from when I turned 40. Probably will go pescatarian, plus occasional game, in the near future, but due to not liking farming practice, rather than health reasons. I think middle-aged white males, such as myself, are given a hard time for wanting to eat healthy and continue exercise. We saw our parents become unhealthy pensioners, despite the NHS and good pensions, so want to be able to enjoy a healthy, active retirement.


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There was some millenial scatterbrain bimbo on the radio the other day explaining she was vegetsrian nowadays so she only eats chicken.
All those unhealthy pensioners of my parents age, living longer than ever, going abroad for long stay holidays in record numbers.
A lot is down to genetics. My mother livedbto over 90, as did her mother and grandmother (not a common occurence in those days). My dad went at 70, his dad and grandad at 70 also. My dad was one of the fittest, strongest blokes I have known until he turned 60. By the time he was my age, 68, I was having to tighten up or loosen things for him. I have same congestive heart failure which seems to run on my side of the family and have always lived my life on the basis that anything after 70 will be a bonus. My current doctor, a straight talking type which I prefer, said that to be honest when he first met me (which ended up with me bring rushed to the hospital from the surgery) he didn't expect to be having this conversation 5 years on. The question is do you live sensibly and still end up going earlier than someone who lives life to the full? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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17/06/2018 at 09:23

>- The question is do you live sensibly and still end up going earlier than someone who lives life to the full?

Apologies upfront if sounding condescending. Absolutely not my intention.
I suggest that is a good example of a 'wrong question', and flawed 'either / or' thinking.
A better question is 'how do I find ways to live sensibly whilst living life to the full'.
For some reason, many wrongly associate 'living life to the full' with an unhealthy lifestyle. Living life to the full does not need to involve any or all of alcohol, drugs, smoking, shit food, not partaking in exercise, etc etc. (Not saying that is necessarily the view of anyone on here). Doing so doesn't bring guarantees but it almost certainly massively increases the odds.
Building on EG's post (my admiration for you only grows having read that post Wink), it's like people claiming that eating a healthy vegetarian / vegan (or better defined as a whole food plant based) diet means a life of boring rabbit food. No it doesn't at all, that's just plain ignorance. With even a basic knowledge of food preparation, such a way of eating means incredible dishes, far tastier (and healthier) than most of the boring crap that the vast majority have been duped into eating.
By the way, I guess I've got a lot of my shit sorted these days (I gave up smoking 30odd years ago, I don't drink alcohol very often and not much when I do, I eat 90%+ plant based whole food , I don't do drugs. But I need to do more, a lot more, to live life to the full before it's too late.  

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17/06/2018 at 09:36

Quote Quote by Driff_Tiger on 17/06/2018 at 09:23
>- The question is do you live sensibly and still end up going earlier than someone who lives life to the full?

Apologies upfront if sounding condescending. Absolutely not my intention.
I suggest that is a good example of a 'wrong question', and flawed 'either / or' thinking.
A better question is 'how do I find ways to live sensibly whilst living life to the full'.
For some reason, many wrongly associate 'living life to the full' with an unhealthy lifestyle. Living life to the full does not need to involve any or all of alcohol, drugs, smoking, shit food, not partaking in exercise, etc etc. (Not saying that is necessarily the view of anyone on here). Doing so doesn't bring guarantees but it almost certainly massively increases the odds.
Building on EG's post (my admiration for you only grows having read that post Wink), it's like people claiming that eating a healthy vegetarian / vegan (or better defined as a whole food plant based) diet means a life of boring rabbit food. No it doesn't at all, that's just plain ignorance. With even a basic knowledge of food preparation, such a way of eating means incredible dishes, far tastier (and healthier) than most of the boring crap that the vast majority have been duped into eating.
By the way, I guess I've got a lot of my shit sorted these days (I gave up smoking 30odd years ago, I don't drink alcohol very often and not much when I do, I eat 90%+ plant based whole food , I don't do drugs. But I need to do more, a lot more, to live life to the full before it's too late.


An acquaintance, a strict vegetarian who didn't smoke, ran marathons, coached football (very successfully), ran or biked from Ruston Parva to Flamborough to work as a teacher on many occasions collapsed and died age 42. In fact I had seen him as I came in the other direction down the hill into Brid.
He was turning off on to Woldgate. They found him just a short distance along there.
As I said, you can make all the right choices but genetics can still undo any good work.

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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17/06/2018 at 10:38

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 17/06/2018 at 09:36


An acquaintance, a strict vegetarian who didn't smoke, ran marathons, coached football (very successfully), ran or biked from Ruston Parva to Flamborough to work as a teacher on many occasions collapsed and died age 42. In fact I had seen him as I came in the other direction down the hill into Brid.
He was turning off on to Woldgate. They found him just a short distance along there.
As I said, you can make all the right choices but genetics can still undo any good work.


That doesn't sound like right choices to me. Sounds like too much!!
And of course, being vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean eating healthy; there's healthy and non-healthy vegetarian (and vegan) ways of eating.
But yes, fundamentally I agree, although I'd still contend that better choices (probably a better way of saying 'right choices') is highly likely to increase the odds favorably, hopefully giving a better quality of, and longer life, than poor choices.
(Honestly not meaning to sound like a clever arse or argumentative; just found it an interesting thread about some things I'm quite passionate about).  

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17/06/2018 at 13:13

Totally agree that genetics play a huge part determining life expectency and your mother's side were outlier points on the average. But scientific evidence at the moment does indicate that lifestyle will also play a huge part in certain cancers, of which I mentioned prostate and bowel being two directly related to excessive red meat and alcohol.

As Driffield writes, it's hard to not preach or seem condescending pointing out the benefits using negatives, so I try and use positives of cutting back on farmed meat and alcohol. Huge increases in energy levels, rise in testosterone levels, better sleep, better blood sugar levels, better mental health, better temperament, higher sex drive, increased desire to do more etc. I'm seeing this trend with more and more peers, who spent our 20s and 30s drinking a lot and having meat rich diets. Most of us who once thought "I wouldn't want to live without steak and drinking weekly" are now thinking "I wouldn't want to live with steak and drinking weekly". I always say try cutting back for 2 months and see how it feels.

Regarding your friend who died in his early 40s - guessing it was a pre-existing, undiagnosed heart problem. I'm not overly certain running marathons or long distances regularly is that healthy for those of North European genetics. A lot of more recent evidence shows that maintenance of lean muscle mass, through resistance training, weight bearing exercise and sport, is healthier for us than extreme cardio exercise, which can have the opposite effect.



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17/06/2018 at 15:49

Quote Quote by essexgull on 17/06/2018 at 13:13
Totally agree that genetics play a huge part determining life expectency and your mother's side were outlier points on the average. But scientific evidence at the moment does indicate that lifestyle will also play a huge part in certain cancers, of which I mentioned prostate and bowel being two directly related to excessive red meat and alcohol.

As Driffield writes, it's hard to not preach or seem condescending pointing out the benefits using negatives, so I try and use positives of cutting back on farmed meat and alcohol. Huge increases in energy levels, rise in testosterone levels, better sleep, better blood sugar levels, better mental health, better temperament, higher sex drive, increased desire to do more etc. I'm seeing this trend with more and more peers, who spent our 20s and 30s drinking a lot and having meat rich diets. Most of us who once thought "I wouldn't want to live without steak and drinking weekly" are now thinking "I wouldn't want to live with steak and drinking weekly". I always say try cutting back for 2 months and see how it feels.

Regarding your friend who died in his early 40s - guessing it was a pre-existing, undiagnosed heart problem. I'm not overly certain running marathons or long distances regularly is that healthy for those of North European genetics. A lot of more recent evidence shows that maintenance of lean muscle mass, through resistance training, weight bearing exercise and sport, is healthier for us than extreme cardio exercise, which can have the opposite effect.



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I think it depends on definitions.

Firstly weight/resistance training, there’s some out there taking things to the extreme, using an extreme protein diet with supplements and shakes or even steroids and amphetamines to build unnatural muscle levels, which place a similar pressure on the heart, liver etc as being morbidly obese...despite them having a 4% body fat ratio. These chickens will come home to roost.

Similar with red meat consumption. If you’re eating steak every night with a decent bottle of Bordeaux not only will you require a decent bank balance, it’s also probably going to mess your insides up a bit.

Surely moderation is the key. Some cardio along with weight training both not to any silly extremes will do you no harm and will be beneficial health wise. Likewise a steak a week or roast beef/lamb won’t hurt you. 

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17/06/2018 at 16:49

I'm no zealot. I have grass-fed lamb now and again myself, salted lamb ribs for Christmas dinner, although can't say I'm a huge fan. For a once a week source of red meat, the average body probably can handle it, although most will feel sluggish on the Monday without realising it.

As I wrote, the factor pushing me in the direction of giving up farmed meat totally isn't only personal health - more and more land is being dedicated to producing grain to feed farm animals and it's resulting in vast increasing swathes of land dedicated to mono-culture crops. It's not good for the environment or the longevity of crop farming. When I buy meat, I try and source it from responsible outlets, which is easier where I live because the food economy is protected - it's much harder in the UK where chickens are hatched in the Philippines, grown in Thailand, shipped and slaughtered in the UK and soldfor a fiver as British chicken.

Regarding the exercise - yes totally agree. My point is that from the mid-thirties, lean muscle mass reduces every year and so is important to maintain this mass to maintain physical health to be able to live an active life as a pensioner. Running marathons every year won't help this and actually have a detrimental effect as reduces lean muscle mass and the increased wear and tear on joints.


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