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23/04/2018 at 22:50

I was looking at City's Wikipedia page earlier and noticed that this sentence has been added at some point:

"Hull City and Grimsby Town were the only two professional teams which had official permission to play league football on Christmas Day because of the demands of the fish trade, but that tradition has now disappeared following the dramatic reduction of their trawler fleets in recent years.[9]"

There is a reference to this article: https://web.archive.org/web/2012060706392 4/http://fishupdate.com/news/archivestory .php/aid/6186/Grimsby_fish_market_to_open _over__festive_period.html

Has anyone heard this from any other sources? It must have appeared from somewhere. I ask because it's not true and I wondered where the notion came from and how long ago.

The first Christmas Day league game was played in 1889 and there were subsequently several most Christmases until around 1896, from when there was pretty much a full programme of games until 1957. If Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, there were no games, but otherwise there were.

There have been 1242 Christmas Day league games. From 1920, when the league first had three divisions, there were at least 30 and usually 40-odd games each Christmas Day, except for 1947 (snow!) and 1952 (pass).

After 1957, there were 9 in 1958, 2 in 1959, and one in 1965. And that was it.

But no special rule for City and Grimsby.

This link shows the 43 games on Christmas Day 1948: http://www.soccerbase.com/matches/results .sd?date=1948-12-25
Feel free to try other Christmas Days. 

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23/04/2018 at 23:21

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 23/04/2018 at 22:50
I was looking at City's Wikipedia page earlier and noticed that this sentence has been added at some point:

"Hull City and Grimsby Town were the only two professional teams which had official permission to play league football on Christmas Day because of the demands of the fish trade, but that tradition has now disappeared following the dramatic reduction of their trawler fleets in recent years.[9]"

There is a reference to this article: https://web.archive.org/web/2012060706392 4/http://fishupdate.com/news/archivestory .php/aid/6186/Grimsby_fish_market_to_open _over__festive_period.html

Has anyone heard this from any other sources? It must have appeared from somewhere. I ask because it's not true and I wondered where the notion came from and how long ago.

The first Christmas Day league game was played in 1889 and there were subsequently several most Christmases until around 1896, from when there was pretty much a full programme of games until 1957. If Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, there were no games, but otherwise there were.

There have been 1242 Christmas Day league games. From 1920, when the league first had three divisions, there were at least 30 and usually 40-odd games each Christmas Day, except for 1947 (snow!) and 1952 (pass).

After 1957, there were 9 in 1958, 2 in 1959, and one in 1965. And that was it.

But no special rule for City and Grimsby.

This link shows the 43 games on Christmas Day 1948: http://www.soccerbase.com/matches/results .sd?date=1948-12-25
Feel free to try other Christmas Days.


I understood that City and Grimsby had permission NOT to play on Christmas Day in the days when Christmas Day was a full league programme when this coincided with the fishing fleet was in and needed unloading such was the importance of the amount of fish landed at the two ports and getting the fleets back to sea.. It was felt the number of people involved in this could have affected the gates or the unloading if too many decided to go to the football. Whether this ever happened or the clubs took advantage of it if it did I don't know. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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23/04/2018 at 23:22

Soccerbase has started referring to the Loughborough team that played in the football league during the 1890s as "Loughborough Dy". Turns out a team called Loughborough Dynamo was founded in 1955 and Soccerbase has retrospectively placed them in the football league 60 years before they existed.

The people who own Soccerbase these days really don't give a toss. No integrity. What a waste. 

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