 theotherphantom 12864 posts
First used 09/01/17 Hull City
#1
18/04/2018 at 16:22  Someone on Not606 commented on the sum of the scores in this season's games against Burton Albion. Consequently I've had a couple of trawls through history to see what I could find. I hope this is definitive; I did two runs through historic results and the final lists were not the same (which is why I often look twice). So it is possible something has been missed. I've only looked at the two league games each season, so for cases in which we played another team more than twice in a season I've ignored the other games. Perhaps I'll look into that another time. A quick check shows that in 20078, we beat Watford 92 over four games, including the playoff semis, and in 19534 we beat Brentford 114 over two league games and three FA Cup games. I looked for games in which we'd scored five or more goals, and then checked the other game from that season. For this reason I can only include instances in which we've scored 9 or more goals against another team in the two league games of a season. There have been 18 such occurrences, so they happen about once every six years on average, and yet three occurrences happened in the 193031 season, and another the following season. Perhaps surprisingly, the longest gap between occurrences was the 26 seasons between 1958 and 1984, which encompasses the ChiltonWagstaff era. We have scored 10 or more goals against teams in the two league games on nine occasions, including the four when we scored double figures in a single game. Aston Villa have also reached double figures four times, but the leaders in this respect are Birmingham City with five; four of these came when they were known as Small Heath, and the fifth almost three decades before they added "City" to their name. Since then, none, and all five happened before we recorded any. A report on doublefigure scores is in the oven. You'll see that stuffing a team once in a season gives no clues as to what might happen in the other game. This effect is only evident in the top halfadozen listed here, but there were many instances in which our total didn't reach nine goals due to the other game having a disappointing result. Here are the highest aggregates listed in the order of our goal total, the other team's total, and the season. 132 19389 Carlisle h111 a21 127 19190 Wolves h103 a24 111 19301 Halifax h100 a11 113 19378 Southport h101 a12 101 19578 Oldham h90 a11 102 19301 Doncaster h82 a20 102 19489 Halifax h60 a42 104 19312 Rochdale h41 a63 105 19845 Orient h51 a54 90 19090 Birmingham h70 a20 91 19145 Lincoln h61 a30 91 19512 Coventry h50 a41 91 20023 Carlisle h40 a15 91 20178 Burton A h41 a50 92 19067 Glossop h50 a42 92 20045 Tranmere h61 a31 94 19301 Crewe h51 a43 94 19945 Crewe h71 a23 The Orient one is the only time we've scored 5 or more against a team twice in a season. Twomatch aggregates for both teams: Since it is possible that we could have had two 44 results against a team, and I haven't checked for that, the second and subsequent ones may not be the second, etc, highest in our history. 19 127 19190 Wolves h103 a24 15 132 19389 Carlisle h111 a21 15 105 19845 Orient h51 a54 14 113 19378 Southport h101 a12 14 104 19312 Rochdale h41 a63 Margins we "won" by: I can only show margins of 9+, due to potentially ignoring instances where the aggregate total ended 80 (and there was at least one of those). 11 132 19389 Carlisle h111 a21 10 111 19301 Halifax h100 a11 9 101 19578 Oldham h90 a11 9 90 19090 Birmingham h70 a20 Here's the lot again in date sequence: 92 19067 Glossop h50 a42 90 19090 Birmingham h70 a20 91 19145 Lincoln h61 a30 127 19190 Wolves h103 a24 111 19301 Halifax h100 a11 102 19301 Doncaster h82 a20 94 19301 Crewe h51 a43 104 19312 Rochdale h41 a63 113 19378 Southport h101 a12 132 19389 Carlisle h111 a21 102 19489 Halifax h60 a42 91 19512 Coventry h50 a41 101 19578 Oldham h90 a11 105 19845 Orient h51 a54 94 19945 Crewe h71 a23 91 20023 Carlisle h40 a15 92 20045 Tranmere h61 a31 91 20178 Burton A h41 a50 There were six occurrences in the 1930s and then six in the subsequent 64 years. While I was checking this lot out, I did find other possible happenings to investigate, so I'll try to remember those for future posts. I'm also planning to write a program to do it all for me. 
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 Thunder 1529 posts
First used 09/01/17 Hull City
#2
18/04/2018 at 21:59  Yeah! You need to catch yerself on, or get a Girlfriend or something. 
  Illegal immigrant = immigrant = migrant = persecuted refugee = asylum seeker = entitled. Thanks for that B.B.C. 
 I'm an alligator... 7103 posts
First used 12/01/17 Hull City
#3
18/04/2018 at 22:38   Quote by Thunder on 18/04/2018 at 21:59  Yeah! You need to catch yerself on, or get a Girlfriend or something.  Amad_Tiger said exactly the same thing... 
 RichardCheatham  City AFC 7358 posts
First used 09/01/17 #4
19/04/2018 at 15:28  A good post by ToP. 
  Bunkers Hill  See you in the next life 
 theotherphantom 12864 posts
First used 09/01/17 Hull City
#5
19/04/2018 at 17:16  Just noticed that I didn't turn round the away score of the 91 against Carlisle in 20023, so we won 40 here and 51 there. 
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 essexgull 8980 posts
First used 12/01/17 #6
19/04/2018 at 18:05  Keep on posting these posts, Phantom old bean. ESSEX GULL 
 theotherphantom 12864 posts
First used 09/01/17 Hull City
#7
22/04/2018 at 02:50  I didn't look for occurrences in which City were on the wrong end of these big aggregates or even where we didn't score 5 in one or other of the two games. I have, however, acquired a very useful new data source this weekend, and it makes things a lot easier. This season we've had 15 goals 78 Bristol City h23 a55 10 goals 64 Birmingham h61 a03 I'll ignore 9 and less (the Wolves games were 54 in their favour and the Norwich tally was 54 in our favour). So, here's the rest of history (excluding the ones already mentioned above): 13 58 19056 Chelsea h43 a15 10 73 19067 Grimsby h42 a31 11 47 19078 Glossop h32 a15 10 64 19078 Leeds C h41 a23 10 55 19078 Leicester h32 a23 11 83 19090 Grimsby h51 a32 10 55 19112 Birmingham h40 a15 10 64 19112 Bradford PA h51 a13 11 56 19112 Burnley h41 a15 11 38 19112 Wolves h30 a08 < this is our record defeat, but we did beat them 103 a few years later 11 38 19123 Huddersfield h13 a25 11 65 19123 Stockport h32 a33 13 58 19145 Leeds C h26 a32 11 74 19190 Leicester h51 a23 11 47 19190 South Shields h30 a17 10 37 19234 Leeds U h12 a25 10 73 19245 Burnley h52 a21 11 47 19245 Sheff W h42 a05 10 55 19289 Wolves h13 a42 13 49 19290 West Brom h32 a17 13 58 19312 Crewe h24 a34 10 46 19312 Stockport h44 a02 11 65 19323 Rotherham h42 a23 11 83 19323 Stockport h30 a53 10 54 19334 Man Utd h41 a14 11 65 19334 Plymouth h54 a11 10 37 19345 Newcastle h11 a26 12 57 19345 Plymouth h11 a46 < this is the only other away game with 10 goals in it 10 46 19345 Sheff Utd h03 a43 10 28 19356 Barnsley h13 a15 This really doesn't look like we had a good season... 11 38 19356 Charlton h24 a14 Nope, we came 12 39 19356 Doncaster h23 a16 last by 10 55 19356 Leicester h33 a22 a dozen points 10 37 19356 Newcastle h23 a14 and 12 48 19356 Swansea h31 a16 got 10 37 19356 West Ham h23 a14 relegated. 10 64 19367 Barrow h32 a32 11 65 19367 Darlington h43 a22 14 68 19367 Gateshead h32 a36 10 55 19367 Mansfield h30 a25 10 73 19367 Southport h32 a41 10 64 19367 Tranmere h52 a12 13 58 19389 Bradford C h32 a26 11 74 19389 Hartlepool h41 a33 10 46 19389 New Brighton h30 a16 10 37 19389 Rochdale h33 a04 12 66 19389 Stockport h44 a22 12 84 19478 Accrington S h42 a42 10 55 19490 Blackburn h31 a24 12 48 19490 Bradford PA h33 a15 10 73 19490 Plymouth h42 a31 12 66 19490 Preston h42 a24 10 37 19490 Sheff W h11 a26 12 57 19501 Barnsley h33 a24 11 74 19501 Luton h53 a21 10 64 19501 QPR h51 a13 10 73 19501 Southampton h41 a32 10 55 19512 Swansea h52 a03 10 37 19523 Barnsley h22 a15 11 65 19534 Bristol C h41 a24 11 65 19545 Notts C h52 a13 11 38 19556 Bristol C h13 a25 10 46 19556 Bury h23 a23 10 37 19556 Middlesbrough h22 a15 10 46 19556 Stoke h32 a14 10 28 19556 Swansea h14 a14 11 83 19567 Tranmere h41 a42 10 37 19567 Wrexham h12 a25 14 77 19578 Bradford PA h33 a44 11 74 19578 Halifax h52 a22 10 55 19578 Workington h32 a23 10 46 19589 Southampton h30 a16 10 37 19590 Middlesbrough h33 a04 10 64 19601 Newport h51 a13 10 64 19612 Torquay h40 a24 10 82 19623 Bristol R h30 a52 11 56 19623 Millwall h41 a15 10 55 19623 QPR h41 a14 12 57 19634 Shrewsbury

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 theotherphantom 12864 posts
First used 09/01/17 Hull City
#8
22/04/2018 at 03:32  I didn't look for occurrences in which City were on the wrong end of these big aggregates or even where we didn't score 5 in one or other of the two games. I have, however, acquired a very useful new data source this weekend, and it makes things a lot easier. This season we've had 15 goals 78 Bristol City h23 a55 10 goals 64 Birmingham h61 a03 I'll ignore 9 and lower (the Wolves games were 54 in their favour and the Norwich tally was 54 in our favour). So, here's the rest of history (excluding the ones already mentioned above): 13 58 19056 Chelsea h43 a15 10 73 19067 Grimsby h42 a31 11 47 19078 Glossop h32 a15 10 64 19078 Leeds C h41 a23 10 55 19078 Leicester h32 a23 11 83 19090 Grimsby h51 a32 10 55 19112 Birmingham h40 a15 10 64 19112 Bradford PA h51 a13 11 56 19112 Burnley h41 a15 11 38 19112 Wolves h30 a08 < this is our record defeat, but we did beat them 103 a few years later 11 38 19123 Huddersfield h13 a25 11 65 19123 Stockport h32 a33 13 58 19145 Leeds C h26 a32 11 74 19190 Leicester h51 a23 11 47 19190 South Shields h30 a17 10 37 19234 Leeds U h12 a25 10 73 19245 Burnley h52 a21 11 47 19245 Sheff W h42 a05 10 55 19289 Wolves h13 a42 13 49 19290 West Brom h32 a17 13 58 19312 Crewe h24 a34 10 46 19312 Stockport h44 a02 11 65 19323 Rotherham h42 a23 11 83 19323 Stockport h30 a53 10 54 19334 Man Utd h41 a14 11 65 19334 Plymouth h54 a11 10 37 19345 Newcastle h11 a26 12 57 19345 Plymouth h11 a46 < this is the only other away game with 10 goals in it 10 46 19345 Sheff Utd h03 a43 10 28 19356 Barnsley h13 a15 This really doesn't look like we had a good season... 11 38 19356 Charlton h24 a14 Nope, we came 12 39 19356 Doncaster h23 a16 last by 10 55 19356 Leicester h33 a22 a dozen points 10 37 19356 Newcastle h23 a14 and 12 48 19356 Swansea h31 a16 got 10 37 19356 West Ham h23 a14 relegated. 10 64 19367 Barrow h32 a32 11 65 19367 Darlington h43 a22 14 68 19367 Gateshead h32 a36 10 55 19367 Mansfield h30 a25 10 73 19367 Southport h32 a41 10 64 19367 Tranmere h52 a12 13 58 19389 Bradford C h32 a26 11 74 19389 Hartlepool h41 a33 10 46 19389 New Brighton h30 a16 10 37 19389 Rochdale h33 a04 12 66 19389 Stockport h44 a22 12 84 19478 Accrington S h42 a42 10 55 19490 Blackburn h31 a24 12 48 19490 Bradford PA h33 a15 10 73 19490 Plymouth h42 a31 12 66 19490 Preston h42 a24 10 37 19490 Sheff W h11 a26 12 57 19501 Barnsley h33 a24 11 74 19501 Luton h53 a21 10 64 19501 QPR h51 a13 10 73 19501 Southampton h41 a32 10 55 19512 Swansea h52 a03 10 37 19523 Barnsley h22 a15 11 65 19534 Bristol C h41 a24 11 65 19545 Notts C h52 a13 11 38 19556 Bristol C h13 a25 10 46 19556 Bury h23 a23 10 37 19556 Middlesbrough h22 a15 10 46 19556 Stoke h32 a14 10 28 19556 Swansea h14 a14 11 83 19567 Tranmere h41 a42 10 37 19567 Wrexham h12 a25 14 77 19578 Bradford PA h33 a44 11 74 19578 Halifax h52 a22 10 55 19578 Workington h32 a23 10 46 19589 Southampton h30 a16 10 37 19590 Middlesbrough h33 a04 10 64 19601 Newport h51 a13 10 64 19612 Torquay h40 a24 10 82 19623 Bristol R h30 a52 11 56 19623 Millwall h41 a15 10 55 19623 QPR h41 a14 12 57 19634 Shrewsbury h42 a15 10 55 19634 Watford h22 a33 10 53 19634 Wrexham h42 a13 11 83 19656 Brentford h41 a42 10 82 19656 Bristol R h61 a21 12 102 19656 Exeter h61 a41 <==== This one was missed previously and does, after all, falls nicely in the 1960s. 10 73 19656 Oldham h52 a22 10 46 19656 QPR h13 a33 11 74 19656 Scunthorpe h32 a42 11 65 19656 Swansea h41 a24 11 74 19656 Walsall h32 a42 10 37 19667 Blackburn h23 a14 12 75 19667 Crystal P h61 a14 11 56 19667 Ipswich h11 a45 11 83 19667 Northampton h61 a22 10 55 19667 Plymouth h42 a13 10 46 19667 Preston h22 a24 10 28 19678 Bolton h12 a16 12 75 19678 Bristol C h42 a33 10 37 19689 Birmingham h12 a25 11 65 19689 Middlesbrough h30 a35 11 74 19690 Portsmouth h33 a41 10 64 19690 Preston h31 a33 10 55 19701 Sheff W h44 a11 10 46 19712 Middlesbrough h43 a03 10 46 19723 Blackpool h12 a34 10 73 19723 Portsmouth h51 a22 10 37 19767 Bolton h22 a15 10 64 19789 Plymouth h21 a43 12 57 19789 Swansea h22 a35 12 48 19790 Brentford h21 a27 10 64 19801 Exeter h33 a31 12 75 19812 Hartlepool h52 a23 10 64 19812 Scunthorpe h20 a44 10 55 19856 Oldham h42 a13 11 47 19878 Bournemouth h21 a26 10 55 19889 Bournemouth h40 a15 14 59 19890 Bournemouth h14 a45 11 47 19923 Blackpool h32 a15 10 37 19923 Stockport h02 a35 11 65 19934 Barnet h44 a21 10 64 19956 Wycombe h42 a22 11 65 19978 Colchester h31 a34 13 76 19978 Swansea h74 a02 12 48 19978 Torquary h33 a15 10 46 19989 Scunthorpe h23 a23 11 65 20012 Mansfield h41 a24 11 74 20034 Northampton h23 a51 10 37 20089 Man City h22 a15 11 47 20090 Everton h32 a15 10 46 20101 Middlesbrough h24 a22 12 84 20123 Birmingham h52 a32 10 82 20134 Fulham h60 a22 10 46 20134 Newcastle h14 a32 11 47 20167 Bournemouth h31 a16 10 37 20167 Crystal P h33 a04 11 110 20167 Tottenham h17 a03 Curious run at the end of the 1980s where 6 games against Bournemouth produced an aggregate score of 1421. It picked up again in 20167. We should avoid them. One very interesting thing is that despite us racking up 10+ goals against others on ten occasions, only one team has done it to us. It's getting on a bit so I'll see what further comments I can conjure up about that lot anon. 
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 essexgull 8980 posts
First used 12/01/17 #9
22/04/2018 at 09:21  In celebration of this new statistic, I drank a bottle of Teeling Small Batch. TOP old bean, if you were American, you'd be a baseball fanatic. Stats geek galore, the actual sport is secondary. ESSEX GULL 
 theotherphantom 12864 posts
First used 09/01/17 Hull City
#10
22/04/2018 at 14:40  I probably would. Baseball was a passing interest in my teens before I decided it wasn't. Now I'm only interested in football and cricket, sportswise. Apologies for the 2:50am post  I was composing it on here and everything just stopped. I didn't even know it had got posted, and I certainly didn't click the Post button. 
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