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imperishablehcfc

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18/05/2017 at 19:13


About Us

Mark Harrison - Hull City has been my life. I started working as an assistant groundsman in 1988 when I was 16 working under John Cooper. There was no one better to learn under because everybody in football knew what a fantastic playing surface it was at Boothferry Park. The pitch was like a snooker table and it rightly won awards. I think I earned £15 a week on the old YTS Scheme when I started but I loved it and that pitch meant everything to us. Older fans will remember the dark days back in May 2000 when we were locked out of the ground. We went three months without pay and had to live off credit cards but even then John and I used to sneak into the ground to look after the pitch - it was a real labour of love. Despite all of the troubles, at the end of the following season we won best pitch in the division again!



When we left Boothferry Park my employment transferred from Hull City to Superstadium Management Company (SMC). SMC is owned by whoever owns the football club so these days it is owned by the Allam family.

Darrell Cook - I started at The Boulevard in 1991 which was back in the days of Lee Jackson, Greg Mackey and the like. Like Mark I have seen good times and bad times. I have also, like Mark, carried on working without being paid - that was in the Hull Sharks days. As well as being a groundsman I have also always worked as a part-time kit man for Hull FC. I'm black and white through and through as is my wife and we support the club home and away.

When we left the Boulevard my groundsman's job transferred to SMC and it was my main job Monday to Friday 9-to-5. I carried on doing occasional work for Hull FC as their third kit man in addition to that.





What were we sacked for ?

Despite both of us never having had any sort of disciplinary or warning we were both sacked for gross misconduct, Darrell on 18 April and Mark on 19 April. Partly we were sacked because of the alleged state of the pitch. SMC Management had commissioned an independent report from a company called PSD Agronomy. They turned up on Monday 13 March which was the Monday after a 'double header' as we call it - there had been rugby on Friday night and football on the Saturday afternoon. This was something the independent report advised the company against stating that where they had worked with other combined football/rugby stadia it was accepted that a five day period between fixtures should be agreed.

The report does not in fact criticise us - it says what we had been saying to SMC for years which was that SMC needed more people to repair the divots. This was ignored. Worse still for some reason they never had fixtures rearranged to give the pitch time to recover as happens at Wigan, Huddersfield, Swansea and other grounds with dual use. Then they allowed other games to be played which weren't necessary. Squash courts were put on the pitch which affected the grass. They even played polo on it! Having said all that, despite all the challenges, the pitch was probably in as good a state of repair this season as it had been for a long time.

Another reason for sacking Mark was that too much grass treatment product had supposedly been ordered. Mark explained at the disciplinary what the product was, what it was used for and why it had been needed in those quantities. All orders were on the basis of the monthly independent soil analysis anyway. No notice was taken of this and we think it is doubtful that they actually understood what Mark was telling them. In any case every order was signed off by the club's management, the very people who were now disciplining Mark.

Darrell was also sacked for working for Hull FC whilst he was supposed to be working for SMC. Stills from CCTV were produced but the date and time clearly show that at the relevant time he wasn't actually even at work for SMC. The fact that Mark (as his superior) had supposedly let this happen (even though it hadn't happened) was used as another reason to dismiss Mark.

Mark was also sacked because of the divotors. The same family had been doing the job since Boothferry Park days. Sometimes five would turn up, sometimes four. All they got in return was a match ticket. Hull City gave Mark five tickets each time and he gave one to each divotor who turned up. If only four turned up the fifth ticket was destroyed. It would have been an easy enough matter for the club to know which tickets had been used and which had not - because they are scanned - but they refused to make checks. Mark was sacked because he did not know for sure how many had turned up each time. As most people know the divotors themselves were unceremoniously sacked not long after.

If you're losing track of all the things we were sacked for don't worry, so were we! Between us we had something like 55 years unblemished service without ever having been warned, disciplined or anything. Suddenly they seemingly made up anything they could think of to get rid of us for whatever reason.

We say all of these allegations were ridiculous and none of them stand up to scrutiny. It would be laughable if it was not so serious and so upsetting. We both kept making the same points at our disciplinary hearings with Kevin Hickson, Facilities Manager, and at our appeal hearings with Ehab Allam. On every point they could quite easily have gone away and investigated it properly and looked into what we were telling them but they had no interest in doing so. Incidentally the appeal hearing was the first time Ehab had ever spoken to either of us - this is despite us working for him for six and a half years.

What do we want to do?

We want to take SMC to an Employment Tribunal or a fair hearing on the basis that we believe we have been unfairly dismissed. Our sackings have affected ourselves, our wives and our families very badly. We loved our jobs and were very proud of the work we did. We loved being at the heart of the clubs we support. We have been robbed of that. Worse still our sackings have been very public. Everybody knows we were got rid of but nobody knows why. The truth is even now we're not sure why. People can start to question our integrity. We want the chance to challenge SMC in a public Tribunal. We want Kevin Hickson and Ehab Allam, and Karen Clark the HR Manager to account for themselves and what they have done to us.

Why are we crowdfunding?

We need to raise money to be able to afford to get representation for the Employment Tribunal. The SMC backed by the Allam family have millions of pounds to spend on solicitors and barristers. We cannot take them on on our own and we probably wouldn't have done. There is no legal aid these days and really no help for people like us. We didn't earn big salaries in our jobs and we both have families.

But then we heard about crowdfunding and thought that maybe it gave us a chance. We want to go into battle with a legal team that is as good as theirs if not better. Gosschalks were recommended to us and they have been brilliant so far, confirming what we believed about how we have been treated, explaining the claims we can make and giving us the confidence we needed. They have been very supportive and have spent lots of time with us without asking for anything. We now want to formally instruct them to represent us.

We need money for that and we also have to pay Employment Tribunal fees. It is going to cost us a £500 fee just to begin the case and then a £950 fee for a hearing. The whole thing is likely to take about six months and there is a lot of work to do during that time. The Tribunal process requires properly pleaded papers, bundles of documents, witness statements etc as well as quite a bit of other legal work. We also need to instruct a barrister. On top of the legal costs there is VAT and the CrowdJustice website and its payment processor, Stripe, take about 8% combined - which is fine. We have set an initial target of £5000 which will pay the fee to start the claim and for our legal team to get everything ready to lodge the case. We will then be up and running. We have set a stretch target of £20,000 because realistically, and if the other side drag things out, that is what it could cost to have the best representation.

We know that a sum of money like that will be small change for the people we are fighting against. To them we are probably nothing, history by now. The fact that we gave so much service to Hull City and Hull FC means nothing. The fact that we have lost our livelihoods in such a publicly embarrassing way appears to mean nothing to them either. We want to hold them to account through the proper process where an Employment Tribunal Judge looks at everything fully and fairly. We want to clear our names. We actually want to get our jobs back and a Tribunal can order that. We were proud to be involved with Hull City and Hull FC - we just want to get back to work and continue that association for many years to come.

Mark and Darrell  

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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18/05/2017 at 19:53

Sent ya a msg. 

Bunkers Hill - See you in the next life 

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18/05/2017 at 21:55

A fine example of why people should join a Trade Union.  

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19/05/2017 at 19:01

...ordering too much fertiliser?, is this the straw that broke the camels* back

* courtesy of TFT 

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20/05/2017 at 10:31

typical of the way the allams have done their business in a ruthless cutthroat manner all their lives

this doesn't surprise me one bit 

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imperishablehcfc

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20/05/2017 at 10:51

You mean they're now full of shit, we've known that a long time 

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20/05/2017 at 12:05

Unite union is a sack of shite.At our place the idiots advised the workforce to give up their paid breaks at the request of the management for a short term financial gain,they also not only sit back and allow but encourage cheap foreign agency labour.They print union forms in Polish and Portugese,they allow 350 workers to be made redundant and be replaced with agency staff.They allowed the company to rip up the rights to fixed bank holidays.Unions have no bollocks nowadays.Waste of fucking time and money. 

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imperishablehcfc

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20/05/2017 at 15:34

but Mckluskey's OK 

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