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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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15/03/2017 at 05:16

Good luck or good judgment - Marco Silva?

I've been Larfin my arse off watching the managers merry-go-round the last few whatever.

Shakespeare is a maestro now, Rowett back in the seat he always, always wanted. Warburton swapped his bread round and former global name Rangers for former global name and soon to be div 3 team, Nottm Forest. Alex .Neil was too dour for his own good, the list just goes on. Phil Thompson and white lines Merson, your wishes have come true - shite wannabes who know how to make a player run are still in the mix. Wow.

How nice would it be, relegation or not, to fund Mr. Silva next season and the one after that, see how it goes for us.

Football is a bit of a joke and this week shows it for all it's sad ills. I see standing is still knocking at the door. Believe that when I see it too.

If you're all off to Everton clap your hands (clap, clap).

That'll be 483 then. 

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Driff_Tiger

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15/03/2017 at 08:05

'Good judgement' would have been bringing him (and his team) in last summer. The place needed the overhaul after the negligence and incompetence of Bruce.
Come January, it was a desperate situation. Yes, he could have turned to the usual names, but didn't. We have still to see whether or not that pays off. Silva started very well ... like, err, Phelan. Who knows, a Rowett or Warnock might have had the same effect?
As good as it was to win on Saturday, the truth is we've been far less impressive these last 3 games. The energy and fluidity has somehow disappeared, in spite of having a week away together. Evandro?
I do though think that had Silva been brought in during summer it would have been extremely good judgement and we would be PL next season, and with a needed rebuilding well underway.
Hopefully it does turn out to be extremely good judgement, even though it was borne out of desperation and gamble.  

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15/03/2017 at 10:07

Quote Quote by Driff_Tiger on 15/03/2017 at 08:05
'Good judgement' would have been bringing him (and his team) in last summer. The place needed the overhaul after the negligence and incompetence of Bruce.
Come January, it was a desperate situation. Yes, he could have turned to the usual names, but didn't. We have still to see whether or not that pays off. Silva started very well ... like, err, Phelan. Who knows, a Rowett or Warnock might have had the same effect?
As good as it was to win on Saturday, the truth is we've been far less impressive these last 3 games. The energy and fluidity has somehow disappeared, in spite of having a week away together. Evandro?
I do though think that had Silva been brought in during summer it would have been extremely good judgement and we would be PL next season, and with a needed rebuilding well underway.
Hopefully it does turn out to be extremely good judgement, even though it was borne out of desperation and gamble.

Didn't you agree with the appointment of Phelan?

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Driff_Tiger

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15/03/2017 at 10:57

Quote Quote by smallvoice on 15/03/2017 at 10:07

Didn't you agree with the appointment of Phelan?


Like many, I thought he deserved the chance after the unexpected start. I wouldn't have minded Rowett either to be honest.
Remembering also that at the time the club was in absolute turmoil and the window was about to slam shut.
However, like almost everyone, I knew nothing about Silva (and his gang) being interested during summer. Nor of other options.
Given that Enob had no respect for Bruce as a manager, and that Phelan was part of the Bruce era, summer would have been the perfect time to have brought him in. Enob chose not to do so. Big mistake. As was the long delay during summer in making any decision, including the unprofessional inhumane way that Bruce was forced out rather than removed.  

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15/03/2017 at 12:57

We we're talking about this Saturday and theorising about how much dumb luck the Allams have had vs. Brilliant business genius and groundbreaking innovations.

You do the math...

Whatever you think compare and contrast our story with Stoke who went up when we did a few years back.... 

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15/03/2017 at 13:14

TOP decision? Someone call? 

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15/03/2017 at 14:00

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 15/03/2017 at 13:14
TOP decision? Someone call?


It was luck that he had a friend who recommended SIlva and good judgement to go with it.


ESSEX GULL 

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15/03/2017 at 16:56

A good decision IMHO

....first of virtually zero 

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potential

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15/03/2017 at 18:48

Quote Quote by essexgull on 15/03/2017 at 14:00


It was luck that he had a friend who recommended SIlva and good judgement to go with it.


ESSEX GULL


This friend, by any chance the agent fella? Jorge Mendes? Anyway, the one who also wheels and deals with the buying and selling of clubs. If so did this friendship arise through the sale of the club, with "the" prospective buyer wanting Silva as manager anyway? While undertaking the due diligence, time slipped by and an appointment had to be made. The quick simple, and dare i say cheap, option, Phelan was appointed as an easily disposed of manager. The summer master plan.

Winter master plan. Phelan is cack anyway, irrespective of any buyers and the Allam money looks like it is fast disappearing into the championship again. Perhaps long before the window opened, all that has come to pass was put in place. Landing Silva was one thing, but considering our previous dire transfers, the players brought in seemed to arrive with a minimum of fuss. Mendes their agent?

Luck? Not so sure. The prospect of losing a seven figure sum may make even the most "no,no,no nobody etc etc" get off his ass and shout help. 

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15/03/2017 at 19:04

I'll happily admit that I have no idea who convinced Ehab to employ Silva, Pot old bean.

I do know that Ehab had no idea who he was prior to the recommendation. Phelan was indeed a cheap Bruce replacement who was expected to leave as soon as the sale went through, which left the Allans little immediate choice other than to keep him on once the sale fell through, as they had no one else lined up or in mind at that time.

I also know that not only were the results the problem with Phelan, despite performances picking up, it was also that no agents were interested in their players playing under him, so as this became apparent in the Xmas/new year period when enquiries were being made, this was why he was fired at this seemingly strange time.


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16/03/2017 at 07:36

It wasn't Mendes, it was Paul someone (I've forgetten his name). 

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17/03/2017 at 21:50

Quote Quote by Lambrettaman on 16/03/2017 at 07:36
It wasn't Mendes, it was Paul someone (I've forgetten his name).


What wasn't Mendes?

Ehab takes no credit, whatever the outcome, his starting place for an approval rating was heavily in the minus. 

Now then... 

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17/03/2017 at 23:21

^^^^^this^^^^^^ 

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RichardCheatham - City AFC

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19/03/2017 at 00:22

Yeah, to be clear, I didn't actually intend it to be a vote for or against Ehab, more a "look at these other silly fuckers, wallowing in the same shit pit of redundant and poor man angers/coaches". And how lucky we are to have Silva, whatever the outcome.

Like saving th club from administration, apopointing Silva is down to the Allams, no argument. The other silly fucking shenanigans are off the scale of course. 

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19/03/2017 at 09:10

OK, I'll say it.
I'm starting to wonder if we're overdoing this 'special one' thinking over Silva?
Yes, he brought a really refreshing change in January (albeit his arrival maybe pushed Livermore and Snodgrass over the edge - probably not his fault as much as the cunt Ehabs).

HIs signings are a mixed bag. Ranocchia excellent. NIasse & Evandro decent (but the latter another injury prone case? Elabdoualli ok. N'Daiye jury out, I expected far more. Grosicki poor, headless chicken, awful end product. Markovic talented but poor impact.

We started well enough under him. Just like under past managers, we put in creditable showings against top sides, picking up an odd point or three when everything was stacked against us (no time to gel, injuries, etc).

Then came a week away in Portugal after which things should really have started to come together.

Instead:
- we were really poor against a weakened, poor away from home Burnley. They looked even more like a CCC side than us that day. We looked totally flat when I was expecting the exact opposite, based on Silva's early performances and on having just returned from their training camp.
- then Leicester. Took an early lead against the run of play, but then well beaten by 3 goals without reply, and again lacking the energy, pace, fluidity we had seen in those earlier games.
- then carried on in same vein against Swansea. We were going nowhere until Silva threw the dice and played 2 up front. Immediate impact, 2-0. Then reverts back to 1 up front and we very nearly threw it all away, against a side who had lost their main threat up front, had 2 more forced substitutions and with a player on the pitch who was struggling to run for this final period. Thankfully we got away with it.
- yesterday we had next to no threat up front. Did we have a shot on target? It was at least partly the way we were set up, and nothing really changed, just a late collapse. Of course the sending off changed things, but we were abysmal final 3rd all game (no change there).

Unless there's a big change around, I now see us winning only one game in April and maybe 1 in May. And the Silva myth dispelled.

I know I'm a cup half empty bloke a fair amount of the time, but I'm also often seen as a realist. #Coffee

I hope I am spectacularly wrong, but I'd find it hard to believe that others aren't having similar questions springing into their minds based on the 'post-Portugal training camp' period.  

The fish rots from the head #AllamOut 

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