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theotherphantom

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01/01/2019 at 04:39

Except it isn't this one. But it must be someone's and I can't quite work out whose.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=merkl+nation+st ates+must+give+up+sovereignty&t=ffnt&ia=w eb

Page after page after page of reports of this speech. So many sources conspicuous by their absence from the list. Did they not notice or did they just pretend not to notice? I wonder which report the CI+ viewers would accept as least biased.

Probably not this one, but I offer it as the most local.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1 048913/brexit-news-angela-merkel-germany- eu-sovereignty-uk

Herr Schicklgruber would be so proud. 

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candw

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01/01/2019 at 13:16

Vainglorious cuntism?

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Hulltim8 City AFC

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01/01/2019 at 15:51

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 01/01/2019 at 04:39
Except it isn't this one. But it must be someone's and I can't quite work out whose.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=merkl+nation+st ates+must+give+up+sovereignty&t=ffnt&ia=w eb

Page after page after page of reports of this speech. So many sources conspicuous by their absence from the list. Did they not notice or did they just pretend not to notice? I wonder which report the CI+ viewers would accept as least biased.

Probably not this one, but I offer it as the most local.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1 048913/brexit-news-angela-merkel-germany- eu-sovereignty-uk

Herr Schicklgruber would be so proud.


So, the daughter of a communist father who left West Germany and went to East Germany (good job he went before they put up the anti-Fascist Protection Barrier up to stop jealous Westerners pouring in) and ended up in a position of power in the Communist government would like to see a EUSSR.
Wonder what the colonel in that philanthropic, human rights organisation the KGB who was based in the GDR as part of the Occupying Power of the USSR thinks? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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Hulltim8 City AFC

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01/01/2019 at 15:51

Quote Quote by candw on 01/01/2019 at 13:16
Vainglorious cuntism?


Not living in the real world, certainly. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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02/01/2019 at 10:43

The collapse of the Soviet Union and its empire has given us a new world order. One in which the interests of the United States and Europe increasingly diverge.

Merkel and Macron are saying that to stand up to the United States they need to pool their sovereignty and create their own armed forces.

We are seeing the beginning of the division of the world between the major capitalist powers, the US, France and Germany, China with Russia lagging someway behind.

Interesting times. 

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02/01/2019 at 11:27

I think the purpose of an EU army is more to defend against Russia than the US. Long term aim is for the EU to absorb Ukraine, Serbia etc and use the EU army to protect the physical and technological borders against Russia.

If anything, under Trump, the US is showing less inclination to protect foreign countries against Russian and Chinese aggression and incursions - what the 'left' have been demanding for decades.

Strange how things work out - a president who has garnered far-right support has taken the first steps in reducing the US impact on World protection/policing.

Also bizarre how the world is ignoring China's land grab in Africa. I saw a Chinese police station in Cape Town 2 months ago.

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02/01/2019 at 13:43

Quote Quote by essexgull on 02/01/2019 at 11:27
I think the purpose of an EU army is more to defend against Russia than the US. Long term aim is for the EU to absorb Ukraine, Serbia etc and use the EU army to protect the physical and technological borders against Russia.

If anything, under Trump, the US is showing less inclination to protect foreign countries against Russian and Chinese aggression and incursions - what the 'left' have been demanding for decades.

Strange how things work out - a president who has garnered far-right support has taken the first steps in reducing the US impact on World protection/policing.

Also bizarre how the world is ignoring China's land grab in Africa. I saw a Chinese police station in Cape Town 2 months ago.

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Strange times indeed. People complain about American getting involved overseas, though for decades countries like Germany were happy to hide behind the US and let them spend a lot of money keeping them safe.
But when they say they are going to withdraw from countries they are wrong to do that. Funny that Obama, who dropped more bombs than any President since WW2 and deported more people per annum than any other is lauded by the lefties, whilst Trump, who is not dropping as many bombs and deporting less per annum is a right wing monster. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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03/01/2019 at 08:54

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 02/01/2019 at 13:43


Strange times indeed. People complain about American getting involved overseas, though for decades countries like Germany were happy to hide behind the US and let them spend a lot of money keeping them safe.

Keeping them safe from whom? Do you really believe there was a danger?

But when they say they are going to withdraw from countries they are wrong to do that. Funny that Obama, who dropped more bombs than any President since WW2 and deported more people per annum than any other is lauded by the lefties, whilst Trump, who is not dropping as many bombs and deporting less per annum is a right wing monster.

A tiny bit of oversimplification doesn't go amiss I suppose.
 

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03/01/2019 at 10:03

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You don't think that after WW2 the Soviets didn't want the test of Europe under the heel of their jackboot?
What stopped them wasn't the rundown armies in Europe but the Americans superior nuclear capabilities.
Look at what they did in Hungary and Czechoslovakia when they didn't like them showing any independence. Were you protesting at those or did you reserve your protests with the rest of the Americaphobia rent a mob for Grosevener Square?

Simplifications? Is that candyesque for inconvenient facts?

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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03/01/2019 at 17:00

What stopped them was the run down armies of the USSR, who had done most of the heavy lifting for years. They were satisfied with the buffer zone they had occupied.

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03/01/2019 at 17:15

Quote Quote by candw on 03/01/2019 at 17:00
What stopped them was the run down armies of the USSR, who had done most of the heavy lifting for years. They were satisfied with the buffer zone they had occupied.


The run down armies of the USSR? They had millions whilst the Yanks and others decommissioned as many as they could as quickly as they could. The only thing that stopped further occupation of unwilling countries and denying them freedom like they had done in Eastern .Europe was the thought of nuclear retaliation.
Buffer zone? Who did they think was going to march against them? If the USSR hadn't been allies of the Nazis they couldn't have invaded Poland and carved it up with their Soviet allies. The Soviets supplied them with raw materials which enabled them to conquer Western Europe and bomb this country. Trains with raw materials on their way to Germany were passed by invading German troops. Stalin let the Polish underground be wiped out to help occupying Poland easier. No wonder the Poles hate communism and Russia. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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03/01/2019 at 17:30

Quote Quote by candw on 03/01/2019 at 17:00
What stopped them was the run down armies of the USSR, who had done most of the heavy lifting for years. They were satisfied with the buffer zone they had occupied.


To the west. But soviet expansion continued to the south well into the 1980s.

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04/01/2019 at 16:53

Quote Quote by essexgull on 03/01/2019 at 17:30


To the west. But soviet expansion continued to the south well into the 1980s.

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Where?

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04/01/2019 at 17:02

They had millions whilst the Yanks and others decommissioned...

Not immediately after the war. They didn't demobilise until it was certain USSR would not carry on to the West.

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11/07/2019 at 16:43

Is this German bank wobble going to mean an EU wobble? 

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