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Hulltim8 City AFC

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14/12/2018 at 17:06

Quote Quote by candw on 14/12/2018 at 15:36
And you live in most of them, I suppose? If I were you I'd move back to England.


I have never lived in those places or wanted to. Surprised you never moved to a Workers' Paradise to experience how great they were though. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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14/12/2018 at 19:23

Quote Quote by essexgull on 14/12/2018 at 16:22


I was talking to a teacher relative earlier this week who simply can't afford to have children on her and her husband's salary - they don't earn enough to cover the rent on one salary, nor pay for childcare on two. It seems that modern day Europe subsidises the extreme poor and extreme wealthy and takes from the in-betweens to cover this. We're all mugs.


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Did you suggest she go and live in North Korea as an alternative to her predicament? 

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14/12/2018 at 19:26

Quote Quote by essexgull on 14/12/2018 at 16:22


Rees Mogg is a typical coward in the vein of Johnson - squawks from the sidelines, but doesn't have the minerals to go for the leadership. Neither of them has shown any indication of what their Brexit plan would be.

The EU has pulled an absolute number on May - hardly the actions of Allies and evidence of how the wool has been pulled over the publics' eyes over the last few decades on how dependent the system is on everyone obeying. All this will eventually do is weaken support within the EU for the EU of the disenchanted workers - ie. low paid, over taxed. I was talking to a teacher relative earlier this week who simply can't afford to have children on her and her husband's salary - they don't earn enough to cover the rent on one salary, nor pay for childcare on two. It seems that modern day Europe subsidises the extreme poor and extreme wealthy and takes from the in-betweens to cover this. We're all mugs.


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The EU leaders are petrified that if the UK makes a success of leaving, there’ll be dominos falling everywhere...

The EU itself probably needs to realise it is now too big to function efficiently with too many fingers in the pie for its own good.

I still think the country will be offered a second vote, which will be weighted with three options, one of which will be remain. And that’s what will ultimately happen.

Leaving your wife is hard process, old bean. 

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14/12/2018 at 19:37

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 14/12/2018 at 19:23


Did you suggest she go and live in North Korea as an alternative to her predicament?


She could go to Norway. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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14/12/2018 at 19:50

POM, how can you have another referendum?

Democracy in the UK is dead if that happens.

And why three choices on a binary option?

That immediately weakens the Leave and/or Remain vote which is wholly unfair.

Think that's bobbins POM. 

Now then... 

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14/12/2018 at 20:00

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 14/12/2018 at 19:50
POM, how can you have another referendum?

Democracy in the UK is dead if that happens.

And why three choices on a binary option?

That immediately weakens the Leave and/or Remain vote which is wholly unfair.

Think that's bobbins POM.


Is a Referendum a People's Vote?  

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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14/12/2018 at 20:09

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 14/12/2018 at 19:50
POM, how can you have another referendum?

Democracy in the UK is dead if that happens.

And why three choices on a binary option?

That immediately weakens the Leave and/or Remain vote which is wholly unfair.

Think that's bobbins POM.


Call me a conspiracist, but the establishment do not want us to leave. Parliament certainly don’t, really.

There’d be a push for three options as things stand: May’s deal, remain and no deal. If someone at the Office of National Stats or whoever says it’s fair, it’ll be deemed so even if there’s some foot stomping from the likes of JRM. You can obviously see the above would be a cynical ploy for us to say “we’re staying with our wife after all that messing about, time and cost”.

The issue is we’re at deadlock with no real prospect of movement. There’s no manoeuvre from the EU. There’s no other deal to be had in parliament. So, do we stay, go with May’s deal or without a deal at all. What between now and the vote is going to change?

Or do we do none of the above and have a general election? And someone else can have a go.

I’m no longer predicting how long May is going to last, she’s like one of those annoying small round pieces of faecal matter which just will not flush. I’m surprised she’s lasted this long. 

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14/12/2018 at 20:59

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 14/12/2018 at 19:50
POM, how can you have another referendum?

Democracy in the UK is dead if that happens.

And why three choices on a binary option?

That immediately weakens the Leave and/or Remain vote which is wholly unfair.

Think that's bobbins POM.


I guess the honest answer to that is that a second referendum will allow the UK to vote knowing exactly what the options are on the table.


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15/12/2018 at 08:26

They knew last time.

Leave and govern your own laws and immigration, or stay and be a European, a second class frenchie or kraut.

The U.K. has always been on the outside. It never joined the Euro and, as one or two astute observers have noted, it’s physically not joined to Europe, something symbolic and useful at times, eh Adolf and Syrians etc. 

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15/12/2018 at 12:28

Not sure that the working man ever governed laws in the UK - there was a golden period from the 1950s to 1970s where the elites were scared that a war-trained population would turn east, but aside from that the political and business elites have always decided throughout history. Democracy is largely an illusion. You vote for the parties that they allow you to.


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15/12/2018 at 13:28

Of course, you can either drink someone else’s sick or eat your own shit when it comes to whom to vote for but I doubt any of choices would have allowed an illegal Somali immigrant to rape a 13 year old girl and be awarded £250k for spending too long in prison as it affected his human rights, that is the type of thing that drove the majority to tell the EU to stick it up it’s arse.

Straight bananas, curved carrots are just the typical bollocks the moronic MEPs voted for to justify their ridiculous salaries and expenses. Trivial shite that was deemed nothing to really do with Britain, though the U8 left handed tiddlywinks society were naturally miffed at losing out on a £50k grant each year as they no longer had to knock on doors selling raffle tickets for the Xmas hamper it never owned.

The EU is self-serving and nothing else. Where was the hard border between Holland and Belgium. The Euro made sense for those types of countries but who ever had any allegiance to Estonia? The Pasta boys joined on a financial lie and it still resonates today. All brushed under the soiled carpet to keep France and Germany humming along at a possible break even point, though how many Fr3nch chaps and chappeses are happy with their lot.

Given a vote, most would bin the concept and retain the odd useful bit. 98% of the youth don’t even understand it, yet they claim their inheritance has been stolen. Time they taught history in schools. 

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16/12/2018 at 11:03

Quote Quote by RichardCheatham - City AFC on 15/12/2018 at 08:26
They knew last time.

Leave and govern your own laws and immigration, or stay and be a European, a second class frenchie or kraut.

The U.K. has always been on the outside. It never joined the Euro and, as one or two astute observers have noted, it’s physically not joined to Europe, something symbolic and useful at times, eh Adolf and Syrians etc.


True Cheats.

But I'm pretty certain Leave voters didn't vote for this shower of shit we're enduring now. 

Now then... 

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16/12/2018 at 11:09

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 14/12/2018 at 20:09
There’d be a push for three options as things stand: May’s deal, remain and no deal


Sorry POM, I repeat, you can't have three options on a binary vote.

This isn't an Allam poll, y'know. Actually, that wasn't even a poll; it was a ransom note. 

Now then... 

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16/12/2018 at 11:16

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 14/12/2018 at 20:00


Is a Referendum a People's Vote?


As you've probably guessed, I'm totally against a second referendum. But as a point of order, the people have already voted to leave, so if there ever was a second referendum, it could only be this;

May's deal, or, No deal.

But that won't happen. Because... the country has ALREADY VOTED TO LEAVE, so why waste time or money on it? 

Now then... 

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16/12/2018 at 20:36

Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 16/12/2018 at 11:09


Sorry POM, I repeat, you can't have three options on a binary vote.

This isn't an Allam poll, y'know. Actually, that wasn't even a poll; it was a ransom note.


I’m cynical. I just can’t see the establishment actually allowing the country to leave. And they’ll do what it takes to stop Brexit. If that means telling the plebs a vote is fair as decided by the Charted Institute of Something, then that’s what they’ll do.

I’m sure when I’m knocking on death’s door, I’ll be saying how the people were scammed like my Grandad does about the vote in the 70s. 

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