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theotherphantom

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20/10/2018 at 06:03

US astronaut Scott Kelly tweeted a quote from Winston Churchill on October 7th:


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Oct 7

One of the greatest leaders of modern times, Sir Winston Churchill said, “in victory, magnanimity.” I guess those days are over.
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Despite the quote being nothing to do with race or anything else controversial, Kelly was subjected to the wrath of the terminally-stupid permanently-outraged online lynch mob and ended up apologising.

This was his apology:


Scott Kelly
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Did not mean to offend by quoting Churchill. My apologies. I will go and educate myself further on his atrocities, racist views which I do not support. My point was we need to come together as one nation. We are all Americans. That should transcend partisan politics.


The permanently offended would obviously prefer a Nazi-run Europe. There's a reason that Churchill was voted the greatest ever Briton.


I have three words for those outraged: fuck off, losers.  

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20/10/2018 at 13:30

He didn't have to apologise. He chose to. Your anger should be towards him for conceding. A man controls his own responses.

Not sure the Nazis would have held Europe against the Soviets that long. Stalin was prepared to allow 10 Soviet soldiers to die for the sake of killing one German - Hitler/the Nazis simply couldn't have won due to this ratio. The impact of the UK/Empire and US was essentially that the end of Nazi Germany was hastened and saved more German and Soviet lives from ending due to war. Then obviously counterbalancing Soviet expansion plans post war.


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20/10/2018 at 15:08

Hitler would have nuked the fooking shit out of them... 

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20/10/2018 at 15:25

Certainly a possibility. But when it came to actual war, Stalin was far more ruthless than Hitler. Hitler couldn't afford to sacrifice large numbers of the German army to win - he needed German support and the master race to survive, Stalin didn't care about collateral damage.


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20/10/2018 at 19:13

Quote Quote by essexgull on 20/10/2018 at 13:30
He didn't have to apologise. He chose to. Your anger should be towards him for conceding. A man controls his own responses.

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I agree that he deserves my opprobrium for conceding and I had intended to mention that. The baying mob also deserves my opprobrium.  

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21/10/2018 at 11:24

I'm sorry your life is so miserable, ToP. My advice is to get your head out of the sewer if you can't stand the smell. And be prepared for other opinions.

Ask those that died in the Gallipoli landing what a magnificent leader he was. Ask those who heard his 1950 campaign speech wher he complained "Labour has spent more in 5 years than all the Tory governments between the world wars", as if trying to rebuild a battered nation was a bad thing. And helping to point out the survivors of WWI got much less help to recover from their ordeal. And the Bengal famine. Of course we were all racist then anyway.

He will always be feted as an inspirational war leader, but hold off from the Saint Winston.

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21/10/2018 at 12:20

Not sure why he is beyond criticism. Isnt that the right of a democracy that he is supposedly feted for saving...


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21/10/2018 at 18:23

Churchill is not beyond criticism.

But history deems, he was the right man, in the right place, at the right time for this country. 

Now then... 

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21/10/2018 at 20:11

I don't disagree.

But history does tend to eulagise the further from the event it gets. Despite his war leadership, he was voted out of office by the British public immediately after the war by the largest swing to the opposition that had been seen before.

Churchill, despite being a great war leader, did not want to reward the British public for their sacrifices made to attain his victory. Attlee did.

Churchill has become more popular as time has passed as the myth has developed.


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21/10/2018 at 22:37

Quote Quote by candw on 21/10/2018 at 11:24
I'm sorry your life is so miserable, ToP. My advice is to get your head out of the sewer if you can't stand the smell. And be prepared for other opinions.

Ask those that died in the Gallipoli landing what a magnificent leader he was. Ask those who heard his 1950 campaign speech wher he complained "Labour has spent more in 5 years than all the Tory governments between the world wars", as if trying to rebuild a battered nation was a bad thing. And helping to point out the survivors of WWI got much less help to recover from their ordeal. And the Bengal famine. Of course we were all racist then anyway.

He will always be feted as an inspirational war leader, but hold off from the Saint Winston.


I've been wondering about your sanity of late. I expect it's mutual, but anyone who thinks Antifa is a good thing is, frankly, either blinkered or a complete idiot. Just because it says "Antifa" on the tin. Ha.

My life isn't miserable.

I am prepared for other opinions. If only others were. I looked for other opinions. That was an interesting exercise.

I'm not in a sewer.

I don't think Churchill was a saint. Jesus, he was a bleeding Tory for a start. 

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22/10/2018 at 10:03

Blimey!

I worry/think hardly ever about Antifa. It's mainly an American phenomenon and, as usual with America, a weirdisation of the normal. I worry more about the cuddly Mr Bannon's acceptance as a mainstream political figure in my country.

I agree that Churchill was a larger than life figure whose very weaknesses were his strengths in wartime. At a remove of almost 80 years I'm sure we can remark on other facets of his character without being accused of wanting a Nazi run Europe.

As for your not being in a sewer, where else would you find the statements that make you angry and upset if not in the sewer of Social Media? Solution; don't read it.

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22/10/2018 at 18:04

Quote Quote by essexgull on 21/10/2018 at 20:11
I don't disagree.

But history does tend to eulagise the further from the event it gets. Despite his war leadership, he was voted out of office by the British public immediately after the war by the largest swing to the opposition that had been seen before.

Churchill, despite being a great war leader, did not want to reward the British public for their sacrifices made to attain his victory. Attlee did.

Churchill has become more popular as time has passed as the myth has developed.


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I concur with this.

It seems we are firing from the same gun, if you pardon the war pun. 

Now then... 

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