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essexgull

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08/10/2018 at 13:20

Svensk Demokrats, FrP/Progress and Folkeparti get ca. 10-15% of the votes in each of the three Scandi countries.

A lot is made of this in the UK press as a vote against immigration or for the Far-Right, depending on which side of the coin you are. This is partly true - certainly if you are racist, xenophobic and/or anti immigration you will vote for these parties. BUT, this is actually a far smaller percentage than what the media makes out and there is a far more important reason why these parties gain support and this is tax. The two largest parties in all three countries are the centre right and centre left - which are similar to New Labour and Conservatives and both parties consistently specialise in raising taxes for the middle income ground - it has been happening with both types of government that have been voted in for the last 30 years. The difference being that the money raised by the centre left parliament goes on funding the poor/immigrants/single parent families/basket weaving classes in Arabic etc. and the money raised by the centre right goes on a tax cut for the top 1% of earners in the country.

So these smaller 'fringe' parties are the only ones that promise to reduce the ever increasing tax burden for the 2 working parent families - blue collar up to mid-professional class, hence their increasing popularity of late.


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TedLloyd

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09/10/2018 at 16:04

Some good party's there Gull covering Sweden, Denmark & Norway, you missed True Finns/Finns Party of Finland who poll even higher.  

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essexgull

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09/10/2018 at 17:13

I know nothing about Finland or the politics. Barely makes the news here. UK and Germany are far more reported on.

Progress actually make good local councillors - as they're generally locals who have lived in the areas for generations, so know what the area needs, unlike a parachuted-in politician as it works in the UK.

It goes wrong for them when they are in the main government as what makes them good locally, doesn't work internationally or nationally. I actually think these parties are better being slightly on the outside as they apply pressure to the weakened centre right coalitions, without making the mistakes or compromises that a party in power has to do.

Tax on middle income earners (60% of population) is a huge issue. It just goes up (food, property etc) and the services provided stay the same or get removed.


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11/10/2018 at 16:56

So what do those parties promise to cut?  

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essexgull

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11/10/2018 at 19:30

Sugar taxes, import tax, tax on fuel, property tax, small business tax, childcare costs, inheritance tax and many bureaucratic laws that have come in the last decade or so. Basically the things that affect middle income earners the most.

The problem is that for the government to raise money, the middle income group is the easiest to get it from - the lower groups clearly don't have it to pay and the upper groups are able to use accountants to avoid. Similar reason why motorists are handed huge fines for going 15km/h over the speed limit.

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candw

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11/10/2018 at 21:48

I actually meant to ask what things taxes pay for would they cut with a lower tax income?  

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essexgull

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12/10/2018 at 20:52

All that you expect - lower foreign aid/charity, reducing sick pay/long term out of work benefits, reduction of unemployment benefits, reduction of help for refugees, lower environmental taxes, removal of electrical car subsidies, reduction of help for alcoholics/drug addicts/mentally ill.


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13/10/2018 at 20:28

OK.  

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TedLloyd

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The AfD managed 11% in Bavaria keeping the pressure on Merkel. 

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