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exiled CITY AFC

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12/08/2018 at 12:49

The way you frame it bears no relation to the matter.

I suggest you go to your local mosque and pick up some leaflets.

Learn about niqab and burka and their place in Islamic society

Learn their meaning as a political symbol too.

Then frame the bans in other countries in the light of your new knowledge.

Such laws have NOTHING to do women’s rights and everything to do with political Islam as a totalitarian ideology.

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12/08/2018 at 15:42

I know something, but I’m not telling you. 

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13/08/2018 at 07:26

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 12/08/2018 at 12:49
The way you frame it bears no relation to the matter.

I suggest you go to your local mosque and pick up some leaflets.

Learn about niqab and burka and their place in Islamic society

Learn their meaning as a political symbol too.

Then frame the bans in other countries in the light of your new knowledge.

Such laws have NOTHING to do women’s rights and everything to do with political Islam as a totalitarian ideology.



I don't see any difference between an Imam telling a woman to wear a niqab or burka and a white middle aged man telling a woman she can't wear one. 

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13/08/2018 at 09:51

Well Boris agrees with you then.

That was essentially his position.

The swastika is illegal to display in many countries for the same reason why a large majority of the UK population want the Burka banned. It is an overtly political symbol of hard line Wahhabism - the totalitarian political religious movement that has taken root in Europe in significant numbers. No one can dress this up seriously as a freedom for females argument.

When you see this do you see an empowered woman?

https://goo.gl/images/TJzaTx

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13/08/2018 at 10:12

Can't you figure it out? Headlines about pillar boxes from "our next PM" are nothing but a hat into the ring gesture and a dog whistle to the 'phobes.

Some cunts thought he was actually making a Liberal plea!  

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13/08/2018 at 11:13

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 13/08/2018 at 09:51


When you see this do you see an empowered woman?

https://goo.gl/images/TJzaTx




Its impossible to tell, she may be or she may not be. There is no difference between an Imam telling her that she must wear that to go swimming and a white middle class politician saying she can't. Either way the woman isn't empowered. To me being empowered means the right to make a choice. 

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13/08/2018 at 13:14

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.

Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.

It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


ESSEX GULL


Yeah, there's an awful lot in there I've not said a word about. You're massively, hugely, vastly off when it comes to definitions of SJWs, by the way, to the point of utter disingenuousness. 

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13/08/2018 at 13:35

As disingenuous as pretending to care about Muslim women and how cows are killed?


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13/08/2018 at 13:41

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.


Bizarre claim. I've never even voted Conservative, never mind anything further right. I don't recall ever posting anything about paedophiles.

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.


As I said earlier, that's just wrong and I've never commented on the burk/qa. I'm guessing white men wearing it would look like pillar boxes. You're deliberately misconstruing what an SJW is despite my definitions of it.

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


It's typical of certain people and sectors that they will use a phrase such as "all these former EDL/BNP supporters" when the only people previously referenced in the post that "these" could refer to are "posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted". That is typical of the authoritarian left and its Orwellian media distortions.

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
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13/08/2018 at 13:52

A Social Justice Warrior/Virtue Signaller is someone who doesn't really care about the core issue, but 'supports' it purely to be seen to being on the right side to their peers, no?



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13/08/2018 at 14:45

Evasion over the issue.

We are talking about a totalitarian ideology being pushed through a number of means:-

The wearing of the Burka as a political act in support of Islamism - successfully framed without irony as an empowerment of women issue.

The organised rape jihad of young girls throughout the country via coordinated gangs - successfully neutralised and downplayed by historical domestic based abuse

The de facto introduction of special blasphemy laws for Islam with veiled threats and scare mongering as examples by the MC of GB ‘warning Teresa May’ today

If this doesn’t concern you then simply say so and why but don’t keep telling those with concerns that they are bigots, phobes, or BNP / EDL / Right wingers. It’s exactly that kind of narrative that got Trump elected and will no doubt achieve similar in the UK if it goes on.  

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13/08/2018 at 15:49

Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/08/2018 at 13:35
As disingenuous as pretending to care about Muslim women and how cows are killed?


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Do find me a post where I've mentioned either. 

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13/08/2018 at 15:51

Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/08/2018 at 13:52
A Social Justice Warrior/Virtue Signaller is someone who doesn't really care about the core issue, but 'supports' it purely to be seen to being on the right side to their peers, no?



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Edit: On second thoughts, yes, that's a virtue signaller, but it's not an SJW. 

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13/08/2018 at 16:13

Virtue signalling is pretty much what it sounds like. Well, on second thoughts, perhaps you were right (though SJWs are different) - pretending to care, but making a big show of appearing to care. You know, like when the US Democrats pretend to support black people but never ever do anything to make their lives better (because they need them to stay needy to keep their votes).

Anyway, here's Paul Joseph Watson off YouTube, from the right, but often makes a good case, pointing out where some of the holier-than-thou brigade maybe didn't quite live up to their words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JB0hNxuq 9M  

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13/08/2018 at 16:31

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 13/08/2018 at 14:45
Evasion over the issue.

We are talking about a totalitarian ideology being pushed through a number of means:-

The wearing of the Burka as a political act in support of Islamism - successfully framed without irony as an empowerment of women issue.

The organised rape jihad of young girls throughout the country via coordinated gangs - successfully neutralised and downplayed by historical domestic based abuse

The de facto introduction of special blasphemy laws for Islam with veiled threats and scare mongering as examples by the MC of GB ‘warning Teresa May’ today

If this doesn’t concern you then simply say so and why but don’t keep telling those with concerns that they are bigots, phobes, or BNP / EDL / Right wingers. It’s exactly that kind of narrative that got Trump elected and will no doubt achieve similar in the UK if it goes on.


There is no evasion of any issues.

I have never said wearing a burka empowers women for fairly obvious reasons, it doesn't. Giving women the choice over what to wear empowers them. Taking away the right to wear a burka doesn't empower them but subjugates them.

You absolve the men who systematically raped and abused young women and girls by giving it a political and religious dimension. I would the abuse down to sexual gratification, power and opportunity, plain and simple. There have been orgainised sexual abuse of children by white Christians for hundreds of years. It is not just historic but is happening now, they just haven't been caught. It has nothing to do with religion. Same as abuse by football coaches as nothing to do with football.

The bringing to justice of Muslim abusers was the result of an heroic struggle by the victims, social workers and a minority in the criminal justice system. They are real heroes of the working class.

I am dubious about anyone who highlights the rape of young women and the sexual abuse of children by Muslim men but doesn't say anything about the abuse by white men.

Tommy Robinson hinders the struggle for justice which is why he isn't a working class hero defending the rights of victims.




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