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10/08/2018 at 07:58

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6 045271/Victims-chilling-accounts-time-Cat holic-school-Ampleforth.html

Similar crimes what to Tommy Robinson's campaigns are supposedly about, yet no protests or demands to ban the religion.

Strange.


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10/08/2018 at 08:00

It appears that Tommy Robinson supporters are ok with grooming, rape and paedoing, as long as it's done by white Christians.

All quite on the Outrage Front.



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10/08/2018 at 08:07

It has been noted that bead rattlers have a greater propensity for this kind of thing within the wider faith Gully. FTP. 

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10/08/2018 at 09:25

Perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that these crimes can be relied to be fully reported on and the religious cause (celibacy)reported upon and put in the public domain. As a result the religion is in decline and parents know not to let their kids have anything to do with the sickos. Also the reporters know they won't be facing a Kalashnikov anytime soon after running the story.  

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10/08/2018 at 09:43

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 07:58
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6 045271/Victims-chilling-accounts-time-Cat holic-school-Ampleforth.html

Similar crimes what to Tommy Robinson's campaigns are supposedly about, yet no protests or demands to ban the religion.

Strange.


ESSEX GULL


Racist Christianophobe. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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10/08/2018 at 11:05

I find these two wrongs make a right arguments appalling.

As if in any sane world Tommy Robinson supporters actually thing paedophilia is okay as long it’s white people doing it.

Having studied the TR phenomenon it is clear that class prejudice wants to paint him as a racist no matter what. For the final time he is the canary in the coal mine that has been ignored for so long that it’s becoming high farce.

He went looking to the BNP himself when seeing first hand what was being done by followers of a religion - by his own words he found racists and bigots and realised it was not him nor tackling what he saw in ways he was comfortable with. He distanced himself, burnt a Nazi flag and literally fought to keep those elements out of the EDL which proved a constant battle. The far right Hate him as a result yet people still paint that tag over him.

If he was investigating catholic peado’s such as those lauded in the film spotlight actors would be clamouring to play him for a sure fire Oscar.

Islam makes many special claims for itself which give cause for concern and just like other religions some people think that gives them license to do despicable things which need challenging and addressing.

For fuck sake wake up and accept people can be concerned about a religion and it’s folowers without it being about race.

You are enabling de facto blasphemy laws with your silly arguments.

Scientolophobia next?

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10/08/2018 at 11:05

I find these two wrongs make a right arguments appalling.

As if in any sane world Tommy Robinson supporters actually thing paedophilia is okay as long it’s white people doing it.

Having studied the TR phenomenon it is clear that class prejudice wants to paint him as a racist no matter what. For the final time he is the canary in the coal mine that has been ignored for so long that it’s becoming high farce.

He went looking to the BNP himself when seeing first hand what was being done by followers of a religion - by his own words he found racists and bigots and realised it was not him nor tackling what he saw in ways he was comfortable with. He distanced himself, burnt a Nazi flag and literally fought to keep those elements out of the EDL which proved a constant battle. The far right Hate him as a result yet people still paint that tag over him.

If he was investigating catholic peado’s such as those lauded in the film spotlight actors would be clamouring to play him for a sure fire Oscar.

Islam makes many special claims for itself which give cause for concern and just like other religions some people think that gives them license to do despicable things which need challenging and addressing.

For fuck sake wake up and accept people can be concerned about a religion and it’s folowers without it being about race.

You are enabling de facto blasphemy laws with your silly arguments.

Scientolophobia next?

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10/08/2018 at 11:18

So Exiled, you've read his autobiography, what did Tommy Robinson do about the paedophiles in the EDL when he was leader?

As to the crimes being reported in the press. The whole point of the story quoted by Gull was how it was covered up for decades by the state, the press and the church despite complaints being made.  

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10/08/2018 at 11:31

Tommy's not a racist. He's the Messiah. !2 on the far right hate him, don't they exiled? The rest of them and the ordinary British Christian person worship him.

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 10/08/2018 at 11:18
So Exiled, you've read his autobiography, what did Tommy Robinson do about the paedophiles in the EDL when he was leader?

As to the crimes being reported in the press. The whole point of the story quoted by Gull was how it was covered up for decades by the state, the press and the church despite complaints being made.


I see both of these points as moot

A) He did what any leader of any street protest without a membership list and contact details could do. Are you trying to suggest he was complicit in the crimes of peadophilia because of his leadership of the EDL?
B) The whole point of my stance is EXACTLY the same point. So we have a new form of abuse and supposedly because of race the establishment have been covering it up and demonising someone like TR who is highlighting it.

The press, the state and now another religion seem to be doing exactly the same all over again.

As I said therefore the point of Gulls post is therefore what?

Shut up Tommy and his supporters so we can deal with this a few decades later?  

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Quote Quote by candw on 10/08/2018 at 11:31
Tommy's not a racist. He's the Messiah. !2 on the far right hate him, don't they exiled? The rest of them and the ordinary British Christian person worship him.


Check how many signed the petition for his release - he is a popular person amongst the working class - get over it.

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 10/08/2018 at 11:55


I see both of these points as moot

A) He did what any leader of any street protest without a membership list and contact details could do. Are you trying to suggest he was complicit in the crimes of peadophilia because of his leadership of the EDL?
B) The whole point of my stance is EXACTLY the same point. So we have a new form of abuse and supposedly because of race the establishment have been covering it up and demonising someone like TR who is highlighting it.

The press, the state and now another religion seem to be doing exactly the same all over again.

As I said therefore the point of Gulls post is therefore what?

Shut up Tommy and his supporters so we can deal with this a few decades later?


You read his autobiography I haven't. He didn't stand outside their trials to highlight the abuse that went on under his leadership. As far as I'm aware he hasn't commented on any of the convictions at all.

Tommy Robinson could have screwed up the trial. The young women and girls went through the ordeal of being abused, being cross-examined by the defence only to find the accused arguing that they hadn't had a fair trial because of Tommy Robinson. And you think he's some kind of working class hero? You really must be fucking joking.

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10/08/2018 at 12:55

You haven’t been informed on the whole details of the case (both cases of contempt).

It’s clear the establishment want Tommy off the streets and are doing their best to smear him in the process.

This is the same establishment that is covering up abuse albeit with a new religion this time...

Don’t you see this as a continuation of the same pattern repeating  

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10/08/2018 at 13:06

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 10/08/2018 at 11:55



As I said therefore the point of Gulls post is therefore what?



The point is that these appalling crimes were ignored, covered up and hidden by the state, the school, the religion etc. and are only coming to light the last few years. If you read the article, you'll see that in the 1980s, a school master was accused of sexual abuse and the school moved him to the senior school believing that there would be less temptation with older children. Absolutely shocking and little different from the equally appalling cases highlighted by the Rotherham cases.

It's not about two wrongs making a right. It's a question why these cover-ups wereare being ignored - is it 'our' culture of Christianity that has allowed it? Why are the questions not being asked about our culture, as you and Tommy Robinson supporters are asking about Islam?

Why the focus on Islam, when the abuse mentioned crosses cultures and religion, albeit only the gender of the abusers remaining the constant. Are you saying that Tommy Robinson and his band of followers only have the time and energy to specifically focus on brown abusers, having to unfortunately ignore the white Christian ones and allow justice to reach it's own verdict three decades after the events for them?

My ultimate point is that Tommy Robinson and his followers don't really give a toss about the victims of abuse and rape. Hence why they continue to do the exact things which the victims request they don't.


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10/08/2018 at 13:21

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 13:06


The point is that these appalling crimes were ignored, covered up and hidden by the state, the school, the religion etc. and are only coming to light the last few years. If you read the article, you'll see that in the 1980s, a school master was accused of sexual abuse and the school moved him to the senior school believing that there would be less temptation with older children. Absolutely shocking and little different from the equally appalling cases highlighted by the Rotherham cases.

It's not about two wrongs making a right. It's a question why these cover-ups wereare being ignored - is it 'our' culture of Christianity that has allowed it? Why are the questions not being asked about our culture, as you and Tommy Robinson supporters are asking about Islam?

Why the focus on Islam, when the abuse mentioned crosses cultures and religion, albeit only the gender of the abusers remaining the constant. Are you saying that Tommy Robinson and his band of followers only have the time and energy to specifically focus on brown abusers, having to unfortunately ignore the white Christian ones and allow justice to reach it's own verdict three decades after the events for them?

My ultimate point is that Tommy Robinson and his followers don't really give a toss about the victims of abuse and rape. Hence why they continue to do the exact things which the victims request they don't.


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Did the police not follow up allegations against Christians because they were frightened of being thought
of as racist?

Say what you like about Amplethorpe, they make some excellent ciders. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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10/08/2018 at 13:40

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 10/08/2018 at 13:21


Did the police not follow up allegations against Christians because they were frightened of being thought
of as racist?

Say what you like about Amplethorpe, they make some excellent ciders.


You should know the answer better than me, you lived in Yorkshire through the period.

Sexual abuse wasn't taken seriously, mentally ill/addicted adults were seen as the sole architects of their own problems and ignored when they made complaints and children were seen as liars and fantasists. The authorities were reluctant to take on cases against the clergy because of the power and respect the clergy had.

I am sincerely surprised that the same level of anger is not being shown towards the institutions which allowed this and the people that did it. I guess that for the ignorant, it's difficult to comprehend an enemy that has the same skin colour, religious beliefs and culture as themselves, as it gives no easy answer or target to aim for and involves having to ask difficult questions about our culture, rather than point the finger.


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10/08/2018 at 13:58

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 13:40


You should know the answer better than me, you lived in Yorkshire through the period.

Sexual abuse wasn't taken seriously, mentally ill/addicted adults were seen as the sole architects of their own problems and ignored when they made complaints and children were seen as liars and fantasists. The authorities were reluctant to take on cases against the clergy because of the power and respect the clergy had.

I am sincerely surprised that the same level of anger is not being shown towards the institutions which allowed this and the people that did it. I guess that for the ignorant, it's difficult to comprehend an enemy that has the same skin colour, religious beliefs and culture as themselves, as it gives no easy answer or target to aim for and involves having to ask difficult questions about our culture, rather than point the finger.


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There are nutters in all religions. Catholics are nearly as intolerant and backwards as Muslims. Only difference is you don't get accused of racism and and been phobic for criticising it, or any other religion with one exception.

Went past Ampleforth yesterday. Put my foot down to be on the safe side. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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10/08/2018 at 14:55

To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.

Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.

It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.

Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.

It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


ESSEX GULL


The numbers of the EDL/BNP are declining. They are leaving and joining the Labour party which is more in tune with their anti-semitic views. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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10/08/2018 at 20:25

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.

Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.

It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


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Gull, like a lot still working from the old left vs. Right hymn sheet you are confused by modern centrist politics. I have never ever had anything to do with the BNP / EDL or whatever but I did go to catholic school and two half brothers went to Ampleforth. I resisted and became ‘a delinquent’ who went through the local catholic school system. I see absolutely NO difference between the abuse that went on there and the Muslim grooming gangs in fact the only difference it seems is it is the adherents not the imams doing the abusing. Both systems created the causal reasons for it being acceptable. Nothing at all to do with ethnicity and EVERYTHING around do with religion.

1) in Catholicism it is long established that it is the celibacy that causes the problem either through repression OR attracting the wrong sort to the cloth.

2) in Islam it is the doctrine itself that allows for the justification of underage sex, polygamy and the ‘other ring of the kafffir.

Islam also makes special claims for itself that leads to wider political issues in any non Islamic or secular society.

Why can’t you discuss them like an adult and free from juvenile name calling. This isn’t a college dorm or common room.  

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.

Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.

It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


ESSEX GULL


Talking of contradictions, Corbyn usedto holiday in the GDR, McDonnell and others admired the US
SR yet they go on about unions and freedom of movement. Especially for Eastern Europeans, who weren't allowed freedom of movement under the regimes they admired. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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And then they got that freedom and they came here. And they stayed. And those who bemoaned their lack of choice went fucking berserk and voted to leave the EU to stop that happening any more. And were rewarded with a fucking nearly black passport and the potential to buy spuds in lbs and oz.

Oh fuck, did they do hypocrisy? 

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Quote Quote by candw on 10/08/2018 at 21:40
And then they got that freedom and they came here. And they stayed. And those who bemoaned their lack of choice went fucking berserk and voted to leave the EU to stop that happening any more. And were rewarded with a fucking nearly black passport and the potential to buy spuds in lbs and oz.

Oh fuck, did they do hypocrisy?


The middle class socialist warrior rolls into town. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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11/08/2018 at 12:28

I notice three Rochdale Men had their citizenship revoked this week after conviction for child exploitation...

Why is that not being reported?

Ampleforth got the whole day on LBC  

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The police say that with ‘traditional’ paedo’s they know the motivation so they can disrupt their networks but with the ‘type 2’ Paedos - of predominantly Pakistani gangs they don’t know the motivation.

So not only does this NEW phenomena have to be accepted as new but it has to be researched, understood and tackled.

Dismissing it with equivalence is to not understand it nor what the police and authorities are asking permission to do. The establishment seems to be so scared of being called racist that it is paralysed OR it is actively complicit. Either way we need to know and not keep ourselves in the dark.  

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Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 11/08/2018 at 09:22


The middle class socialist warrior rolls into town.


Good reply. No shaming you Kippers is there? Bet you loved Boris' joke! Or would you call it solidifying a voting base? 

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Did they actually say that exiled? They must be fucking thick.

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Can’t you figure it out?

The paranoia due to PC culture has lead to the only way we can ask anything is to have a different culture Home Secretary and to pretend like we don’t know there are cultural differences. Everyone working on the ground knows what’s happening but this fucking establishment and many on here it seems won’t discuss anything unless some posh twat has done an enquiry.

Meanwhile people suffer in massive numbers.

The furore around BoJo’s comments are a case in point.

Utter fucking hysteria even though he was advocating liberal tolerance.

He wasn’t telling anyone what to wear he was saying how it appeared to him.  

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PS you gov poll suggests >70% of the electorate disagree with BOJO

They want a ban.  

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It is very strange to me that you and the usual others demand the legal right to total free speech, yet wish to deny the right of women to dress how they want.

It defies logic.


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The way you frame it bears no relation to the matter.

I suggest you go to your local mosque and pick up some leaflets.

Learn about niqab and burka and their place in Islamic society

Learn their meaning as a political symbol too.

Then frame the bans in other countries in the light of your new knowledge.

Such laws have NOTHING to do women’s rights and everything to do with political Islam as a totalitarian ideology.

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I know something, but I’m not telling you. 

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 12/08/2018 at 12:49
The way you frame it bears no relation to the matter.

I suggest you go to your local mosque and pick up some leaflets.

Learn about niqab and burka and their place in Islamic society

Learn their meaning as a political symbol too.

Then frame the bans in other countries in the light of your new knowledge.

Such laws have NOTHING to do women’s rights and everything to do with political Islam as a totalitarian ideology.



I don't see any difference between an Imam telling a woman to wear a niqab or burka and a white middle aged man telling a woman she can't wear one. 

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Well Boris agrees with you then.

That was essentially his position.

The swastika is illegal to display in many countries for the same reason why a large majority of the UK population want the Burka banned. It is an overtly political symbol of hard line Wahhabism - the totalitarian political religious movement that has taken root in Europe in significant numbers. No one can dress this up seriously as a freedom for females argument.

When you see this do you see an empowered woman?

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Can't you figure it out? Headlines about pillar boxes from "our next PM" are nothing but a hat into the ring gesture and a dog whistle to the 'phobes.

Some cunts thought he was actually making a Liberal plea!  

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 13/08/2018 at 09:51


When you see this do you see an empowered woman?

https://goo.gl/images/TJzaTx




Its impossible to tell, she may be or she may not be. There is no difference between an Imam telling her that she must wear that to go swimming and a white middle class politician saying she can't. Either way the woman isn't empowered. To me being empowered means the right to make a choice. 

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.

Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.

It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


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Yeah, there's an awful lot in there I've not said a word about. You're massively, hugely, vastly off when it comes to definitions of SJWs, by the way, to the point of utter disingenuousness. 

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As disingenuous as pretending to care about Muslim women and how cows are killed?


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
To be honest, it's just one of the many contradictions that posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted have espoused on here over the years. It's not even the only one this week.


Bizarre claim. I've never even voted Conservative, never mind anything further right. I don't recall ever posting anything about paedophiles.

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
Having spent the last two years accusing anyone who has defended the rights of women and Muslims on here of being Social Justice Warriors, self-hating beta males and virtue signalling lefties, they've strangely just taken up the mantle of 'protecting Muslim womens'' rights by demanding that the burqa be banned.


As I said earlier, that's just wrong and I've never commented on the burk/qa. I'm guessing white men wearing it would look like pillar boxes. You're deliberately misconstruing what an SJW is despite my definitions of it.

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 14:55
It's incredibly odd that all these former EDL/BNP supporters have allegedly burned their Nazi flags and taken on the role of animal rights activists, womens rights protesters and free speech advocates, yet seemingly only have one target of their protests...


It's typical of certain people and sectors that they will use a phrase such as "all these former EDL/BNP supporters" when the only people previously referenced in the post that "these" could refer to are "posters such as exiled, The Phantom and Ted". That is typical of the authoritarian left and its Orwellian media distortions.

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A Social Justice Warrior/Virtue Signaller is someone who doesn't really care about the core issue, but 'supports' it purely to be seen to being on the right side to their peers, no?



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Evasion over the issue.

We are talking about a totalitarian ideology being pushed through a number of means:-

The wearing of the Burka as a political act in support of Islamism - successfully framed without irony as an empowerment of women issue.

The organised rape jihad of young girls throughout the country via coordinated gangs - successfully neutralised and downplayed by historical domestic based abuse

The de facto introduction of special blasphemy laws for Islam with veiled threats and scare mongering as examples by the MC of GB ‘warning Teresa May’ today

If this doesn’t concern you then simply say so and why but don’t keep telling those with concerns that they are bigots, phobes, or BNP / EDL / Right wingers. It’s exactly that kind of narrative that got Trump elected and will no doubt achieve similar in the UK if it goes on.  

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/08/2018 at 13:35
As disingenuous as pretending to care about Muslim women and how cows are killed?


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Do find me a post where I've mentioned either. 

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/08/2018 at 13:52
A Social Justice Warrior/Virtue Signaller is someone who doesn't really care about the core issue, but 'supports' it purely to be seen to being on the right side to their peers, no?



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Edit: On second thoughts, yes, that's a virtue signaller, but it's not an SJW. 

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Virtue signalling is pretty much what it sounds like. Well, on second thoughts, perhaps you were right (though SJWs are different) - pretending to care, but making a big show of appearing to care. You know, like when the US Democrats pretend to support black people but never ever do anything to make their lives better (because they need them to stay needy to keep their votes).

Anyway, here's Paul Joseph Watson off YouTube, from the right, but often makes a good case, pointing out where some of the holier-than-thou brigade maybe didn't quite live up to their words.

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 13/08/2018 at 14:45
Evasion over the issue.

We are talking about a totalitarian ideology being pushed through a number of means:-

The wearing of the Burka as a political act in support of Islamism - successfully framed without irony as an empowerment of women issue.

The organised rape jihad of young girls throughout the country via coordinated gangs - successfully neutralised and downplayed by historical domestic based abuse

The de facto introduction of special blasphemy laws for Islam with veiled threats and scare mongering as examples by the MC of GB ‘warning Teresa May’ today

If this doesn’t concern you then simply say so and why but don’t keep telling those with concerns that they are bigots, phobes, or BNP / EDL / Right wingers. It’s exactly that kind of narrative that got Trump elected and will no doubt achieve similar in the UK if it goes on.


There is no evasion of any issues.

I have never said wearing a burka empowers women for fairly obvious reasons, it doesn't. Giving women the choice over what to wear empowers them. Taking away the right to wear a burka doesn't empower them but subjugates them.

You absolve the men who systematically raped and abused young women and girls by giving it a political and religious dimension. I would the abuse down to sexual gratification, power and opportunity, plain and simple. There have been orgainised sexual abuse of children by white Christians for hundreds of years. It is not just historic but is happening now, they just haven't been caught. It has nothing to do with religion. Same as abuse by football coaches as nothing to do with football.

The bringing to justice of Muslim abusers was the result of an heroic struggle by the victims, social workers and a minority in the criminal justice system. They are real heroes of the working class.

I am dubious about anyone who highlights the rape of young women and the sexual abuse of children by Muslim men but doesn't say anything about the abuse by white men.

Tommy Robinson hinders the struggle for justice which is why he isn't a working class hero defending the rights of victims.




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So when they are shagging these sad young girls, they are thinking of Allah and doing his works?

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No don’t debate like a teenager.

You should know by now how much the Quran ‘others’ the none believer.
You should also know how the Hadith documents the life of the so-styled perfect human (reason be upon him) who himself fornicated with a child bride.
You should also know that polygamy is allowed so long as you can provide for the additional women - seemingly that extends to keeping them stupified and supplying pay as you go for their mobiles.
You should also know the common defence these men are offering which isn’t being reported - yet.

You seem to be in denial.  

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 13/08/2018 at 16:31


There is no evasion of any issues.

I have never said wearing a burka empowers women for fairly obvious reasons, it doesn't. Giving women the choice over what to wear empowers them. Taking away the right to wear a burka doesn't empower them but subjugates them.

You absolve the men who systematically raped and abused young women and girls by giving it a political and religious dimension. I would the abuse down to sexual gratification, power and opportunity, plain and simple. There have been orgainised sexual abuse of children by white Christians for hundreds of years. It is not just historic but is happening now, they just haven't been caught. It has nothing to do with religion. Same as abuse by football coaches as nothing to do with football.

The bringing to justice of Muslim abusers was the result of an heroic struggle by the victims, social workers and a minority in the criminal justice system. They are real heroes of the working class.

I am dubious about anyone who highlights the rape of young women and the sexual abuse of children by Muslim men but doesn't say anything about the abuse by white men.

Tommy Robinson hinders the struggle for justice which is why he isn't a working class hero defending the rights of victims.


Obi as you know I went through the catholic system with all its delights. My half brothers went to Ampleforth and our family is still dealing with the fallout decades on. Child abuse is something I have mentioned in both its contexts. One form the police say they understand well, can infiltrate and disrupt. The historic inquiries, and ongoing trials are all evidence of this. This new form of abuse the police say they are behind the curve on is to me a chance to nip in the bud (relatively speaking) so our kids are not finding out about abuse long after the perpetrators are dead.

More generally, the more I look the more I see that Islam (as with all revealed wisdom religions) has strong political, totalitarian and fascist themes that bring a lot of concern. Unlike say Rastafarianism it’s not benign so are we allowed to debate it intelligently or will it always be the trigger to cries of racism and bigotry? 

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/08/2018 at 09:08


Obi as you know I went through the catholic system with all its delights. My half brothers went to Ampleforth and our family is still dealing with the fallout decades on. Child abuse is something I have mentioned in both its contexts. One form the police say they understand well, can infiltrate and disrupt. The historic inquiries, and ongoing trials are all evidence of this. This new form of abuse the police say they are behind the curve on is to me a chance to nip in the bud (relatively speaking) so our kids are not finding out about abuse long after the perpetrators are dead.

More generally, the more I look the more I see that Islam (as with all revealed wisdom religions) has strong political, totalitarian and fascist themes that bring a lot of concern. Unlike say Rastafarianism it’s not benign so are we allowed to debate it intelligently or will it always be the trigger to cries of racism and bigotry?


I haven't seen any rational debate of Islam from the right, just abuse for their own political agenda. They can no longer be overtly racist so use Muslims as an excuse to gain an audience.

Christianity has strong political, totalitarian and fascist themes, all religions including Rastafarianism are the same. So why single out Islam. The reduction in the influence of Christainity in this country took hundreds of years. The same will be true of Islam. Attacking the religion of millions in the way the right have done will mean that this process will take longer.

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15/08/2018 at 21:07

Nah your missing the argument re: the burka
Still you agree with BOJO

BTW

ITV ran a poll to see if Boris needed to apologise - 92% of the great British public said NO he shouldn’t.

Like the EU ITV didn’t like the answer so they pulled the poll and switched it to ask if it was ‘islamaphobic’ whatever that’s supposed to mean...

65% said NO it wasn’t

Meanwhile back in the bubble of the media / Westminster they are becoming more and more detached from the public they purport to serve.  

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