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essexgull

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10/08/2018 at 07:58

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6 045271/Victims-chilling-accounts-time-Cat holic-school-Ampleforth.html

Similar crimes what to Tommy Robinson's campaigns are supposedly about, yet no protests or demands to ban the religion.

Strange.


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essexgull

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10/08/2018 at 08:00

It appears that Tommy Robinson supporters are ok with grooming, rape and paedoing, as long as it's done by white Christians.

All quite on the Outrage Front.



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TedLloyd

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10/08/2018 at 08:07

It has been noted that bead rattlers have a greater propensity for this kind of thing within the wider faith Gully. FTP. 

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exiled CITY AFC

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10/08/2018 at 09:25

Perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that these crimes can be relied to be fully reported on and the religious cause (celibacy)reported upon and put in the public domain. As a result the religion is in decline and parents know not to let their kids have anything to do with the sickos. Also the reporters know they won't be facing a Kalashnikov anytime soon after running the story.  

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10/08/2018 at 09:43

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 07:58
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6 045271/Victims-chilling-accounts-time-Cat holic-school-Ampleforth.html

Similar crimes what to Tommy Robinson's campaigns are supposedly about, yet no protests or demands to ban the religion.

Strange.


ESSEX GULL


Racist Christianophobe. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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exiled CITY AFC

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10/08/2018 at 11:05

I find these two wrongs make a right arguments appalling.

As if in any sane world Tommy Robinson supporters actually thing paedophilia is okay as long it’s white people doing it.

Having studied the TR phenomenon it is clear that class prejudice wants to paint him as a racist no matter what. For the final time he is the canary in the coal mine that has been ignored for so long that it’s becoming high farce.

He went looking to the BNP himself when seeing first hand what was being done by followers of a religion - by his own words he found racists and bigots and realised it was not him nor tackling what he saw in ways he was comfortable with. He distanced himself, burnt a Nazi flag and literally fought to keep those elements out of the EDL which proved a constant battle. The far right Hate him as a result yet people still paint that tag over him.

If he was investigating catholic peado’s such as those lauded in the film spotlight actors would be clamouring to play him for a sure fire Oscar.

Islam makes many special claims for itself which give cause for concern and just like other religions some people think that gives them license to do despicable things which need challenging and addressing.

For fuck sake wake up and accept people can be concerned about a religion and it’s folowers without it being about race.

You are enabling de facto blasphemy laws with your silly arguments.

Scientolophobia next?

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exiled CITY AFC

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10/08/2018 at 11:05

I find these two wrongs make a right arguments appalling.

As if in any sane world Tommy Robinson supporters actually thing paedophilia is okay as long it’s white people doing it.

Having studied the TR phenomenon it is clear that class prejudice wants to paint him as a racist no matter what. For the final time he is the canary in the coal mine that has been ignored for so long that it’s becoming high farce.

He went looking to the BNP himself when seeing first hand what was being done by followers of a religion - by his own words he found racists and bigots and realised it was not him nor tackling what he saw in ways he was comfortable with. He distanced himself, burnt a Nazi flag and literally fought to keep those elements out of the EDL which proved a constant battle. The far right Hate him as a result yet people still paint that tag over him.

If he was investigating catholic peado’s such as those lauded in the film spotlight actors would be clamouring to play him for a sure fire Oscar.

Islam makes many special claims for itself which give cause for concern and just like other religions some people think that gives them license to do despicable things which need challenging and addressing.

For fuck sake wake up and accept people can be concerned about a religion and it’s folowers without it being about race.

You are enabling de facto blasphemy laws with your silly arguments.

Scientolophobia next?

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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Obadiah

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10/08/2018 at 11:18

So Exiled, you've read his autobiography, what did Tommy Robinson do about the paedophiles in the EDL when he was leader?

As to the crimes being reported in the press. The whole point of the story quoted by Gull was how it was covered up for decades by the state, the press and the church despite complaints being made.  

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10/08/2018 at 11:31

Tommy's not a racist. He's the Messiah. !2 on the far right hate him, don't they exiled? The rest of them and the ordinary British Christian person worship him.

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exiled CITY AFC

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10/08/2018 at 11:55

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 10/08/2018 at 11:18
So Exiled, you've read his autobiography, what did Tommy Robinson do about the paedophiles in the EDL when he was leader?

As to the crimes being reported in the press. The whole point of the story quoted by Gull was how it was covered up for decades by the state, the press and the church despite complaints being made.


I see both of these points as moot

A) He did what any leader of any street protest without a membership list and contact details could do. Are you trying to suggest he was complicit in the crimes of peadophilia because of his leadership of the EDL?
B) The whole point of my stance is EXACTLY the same point. So we have a new form of abuse and supposedly because of race the establishment have been covering it up and demonising someone like TR who is highlighting it.

The press, the state and now another religion seem to be doing exactly the same all over again.

As I said therefore the point of Gulls post is therefore what?

Shut up Tommy and his supporters so we can deal with this a few decades later?  

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10/08/2018 at 11:57

Quote Quote by candw on 10/08/2018 at 11:31
Tommy's not a racist. He's the Messiah. !2 on the far right hate him, don't they exiled? The rest of them and the ordinary British Christian person worship him.


Check how many signed the petition for his release - he is a popular person amongst the working class - get over it.

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Obadiah

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10/08/2018 at 12:36

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 10/08/2018 at 11:55


I see both of these points as moot

A) He did what any leader of any street protest without a membership list and contact details could do. Are you trying to suggest he was complicit in the crimes of peadophilia because of his leadership of the EDL?
B) The whole point of my stance is EXACTLY the same point. So we have a new form of abuse and supposedly because of race the establishment have been covering it up and demonising someone like TR who is highlighting it.

The press, the state and now another religion seem to be doing exactly the same all over again.

As I said therefore the point of Gulls post is therefore what?

Shut up Tommy and his supporters so we can deal with this a few decades later?


You read his autobiography I haven't. He didn't stand outside their trials to highlight the abuse that went on under his leadership. As far as I'm aware he hasn't commented on any of the convictions at all.

Tommy Robinson could have screwed up the trial. The young women and girls went through the ordeal of being abused, being cross-examined by the defence only to find the accused arguing that they hadn't had a fair trial because of Tommy Robinson. And you think he's some kind of working class hero? You really must be fucking joking.

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10/08/2018 at 12:55

You haven’t been informed on the whole details of the case (both cases of contempt).

It’s clear the establishment want Tommy off the streets and are doing their best to smear him in the process.

This is the same establishment that is covering up abuse albeit with a new religion this time...

Don’t you see this as a continuation of the same pattern repeating  

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essexgull

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10/08/2018 at 13:06

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 10/08/2018 at 11:55



As I said therefore the point of Gulls post is therefore what?



The point is that these appalling crimes were ignored, covered up and hidden by the state, the school, the religion etc. and are only coming to light the last few years. If you read the article, you'll see that in the 1980s, a school master was accused of sexual abuse and the school moved him to the senior school believing that there would be less temptation with older children. Absolutely shocking and little different from the equally appalling cases highlighted by the Rotherham cases.

It's not about two wrongs making a right. It's a question why these cover-ups wereare being ignored - is it 'our' culture of Christianity that has allowed it? Why are the questions not being asked about our culture, as you and Tommy Robinson supporters are asking about Islam?

Why the focus on Islam, when the abuse mentioned crosses cultures and religion, albeit only the gender of the abusers remaining the constant. Are you saying that Tommy Robinson and his band of followers only have the time and energy to specifically focus on brown abusers, having to unfortunately ignore the white Christian ones and allow justice to reach it's own verdict three decades after the events for them?

My ultimate point is that Tommy Robinson and his followers don't really give a toss about the victims of abuse and rape. Hence why they continue to do the exact things which the victims request they don't.


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10/08/2018 at 13:21

Quote Quote by essexgull on 10/08/2018 at 13:06


The point is that these appalling crimes were ignored, covered up and hidden by the state, the school, the religion etc. and are only coming to light the last few years. If you read the article, you'll see that in the 1980s, a school master was accused of sexual abuse and the school moved him to the senior school believing that there would be less temptation with older children. Absolutely shocking and little different from the equally appalling cases highlighted by the Rotherham cases.

It's not about two wrongs making a right. It's a question why these cover-ups wereare being ignored - is it 'our' culture of Christianity that has allowed it? Why are the questions not being asked about our culture, as you and Tommy Robinson supporters are asking about Islam?

Why the focus on Islam, when the abuse mentioned crosses cultures and religion, albeit only the gender of the abusers remaining the constant. Are you saying that Tommy Robinson and his band of followers only have the time and energy to specifically focus on brown abusers, having to unfortunately ignore the white Christian ones and allow justice to reach it's own verdict three decades after the events for them?

My ultimate point is that Tommy Robinson and his followers don't really give a toss about the victims of abuse and rape. Hence why they continue to do the exact things which the victims request they don't.


ESSEX GULL


Did the police not follow up allegations against Christians because they were frightened of being thought
of as racist?

Say what you like about Amplethorpe, they make some excellent ciders. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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