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Well given one was a super expensive degree educated, pensioned desk jockey doing something useful about once a blue moon and the other cost the nation nothing and was providing a new service hitherto unavailable in the UK I would say the choice was easy.

They reduce carbon footprint too btw 

I think if you leave your front door open, they’ll happily deliver to your couch, CandW. 

Not far off drone deliveries now, so these Deliveroo-style businesses will be letting all their zero hours workers go anyway. 5-10 years left in the human cyclist delivery model probably. Several hundred thousand out of work, including the 300k or so taxi drivers.

It works both ways - I know a restaurant owner in London, near where I used to live, and his business has been saved by Deliveroo - Mondays to Wednesdays were dead as no-one can be bothered to go out and sit down for a meal mid-week anymore, combined with rising rents and staff wages, were nearly the end for him in 2012. Made decent money the last 5 years from takeaways. Pretty certain packaging factories have cleaned up from it, together with food wholesalers etc. benefiting from increased business.

Things are changing so fast and for the better in the business world at the moment. It is current trend to moan and moan about everything, without focusing on the huge upsides. For every worker losing their job as a taxi driver, there's new jobs as a drone pilot/mapper/developer. It's just a case of getting the general population to realise this and without sounding patronising. I did what is classed as a humanities degree and these days, is a complete waste of three years (although was a foot in the door back in my day). The fact that these style of degree are still advertised and promoted by universities, the education sector, the government etc. is a disgrace - they should be advertised as hobbies/pastimes instead and allow the market to decide. A lot of the moaning is old men worrying about change.


ESSEX GULL

Never went and did my professional studies at night school whilst holding down a proper job. I always thought uni was a way of middle class parents re-socialising their kids after the madness of public school.

In my professional life the people at the very top of organisations are invariably those who went through a vocational route except for the closed shop professions like law and medicine where the more I see said professionals the more flakey they seem to be.

I heard some dildo espousing luxury-automated-communism the other day (I kid you not) suggesting that automation will mean no one needs a job and all the money can be divided up equality for leisure.

I remember nearly 40years ago people predicting the same...

What they forget is once humans have solved or automated for one layer of problems they get busy on the next. Also work provides meaning and purpose to many so I doubt the queue will be very big for luxury automated communism.  

Marx’s ideas on communism were based on a religious like leap-of-faith like the ‘automated communism’ idiots that suggested recently that soon we will be able to make everything out of nothing.

If you are lazy and envious Marxism is a great way of looking like you really ‘care’ otherwise it’s for the birds and whenever attempted (I realise that every version so far is claimed to be not 100% real or proper) leads to murderous behaviour and mass slaughter and human rights violations.

Human beings like problem solving and all work is in essence problem solving of one form or another.

When our species is free of problems perhaps we will all learn to surf while the machines rustle up our lunch...
 

The old....

It was tried - but not correctly claim

Shall we just agree that thus far attempts at communism have not really delivered the goods (no pun intended) and had a side effect of being more murderous than national socialism...

And before you compare and contrast we don’t really have free market capitalism anywhere right now.  

I read Marx and have read it again twice it still gets many assumptions wrong and takes leaps of faith.

He identifies economics as the root of his theories and derives all sorts to things to it that predate economics by many milenia.

He talks about hierarchy as if it’s a product of a desire for society instead of what it really is which is an evolutionary response to survival in numbers.

Survival is the motivation of humans not building societies

He claims that all value is derived from labour which was only true for about ten years after he wrote it...

He also misses the simple fact that ‘value’ is both situational and personal so when society seeks to standardise the ‘value’ of a good or service for creating equity it’s a philosophy built on sand.

Thirdly flush with the idea that industrialisation would eliminate specialists he claims that we would all be free to do what we want - hunt in the morning, think in the evening and rear cattle later.

He understood that eliminating such things would require a new consciousness as much of the above is counter to human nature but hey ho...

I could continue but please some examples would be useful for your position...