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31/07/2018 at 18:47

Did we learn nothing from Saville?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45 013078

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31/07/2018 at 19:23

Odd really.

The abusers, in the cases you link to, will largely be white, male, 'Western' and born of the Christian faith. The crimes little different in end conclusion to those conducted by the Rotherham rapist gangs. Yet there is no call for us to examine and ask questions of our fellow culture and no finger-pointing towards us.

It would seem that these types of problem are endemic with our gender and an embarrassment for all of us. There's clearly generations of bad education and a lack of respect towards women and rather more worryingly, vulnerable girls, irrespective of the abusers' skin colour, class, education or religion. The one constant is the gender.


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 31/07/2018 at 19:23
Odd really.

The abusers, in the cases you link to, will largely be white, male, 'Western' and born of the Christian faith. The crimes little different in end conclusion to those conducted by the Rotherham rapist gangs. Yet there is no call for us to examine and ask questions of our fellow culture and no finger-pointing towards us.

It would seem that these types of problem are endemic with our gender and an embarrassment for all of us. There's clearly generations of bad education and a lack of respect towards women and rather more worryingly, vulnerable girls, irrespective of the abusers' skin colour, class, education or religion. The one constant is the gender.
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The one constant is sneaky beta males - the type that claim they are ‘caring’ and ‘feminist allies’. Whenever I hear that I think ‘start the clock on the coming rape / molestation charges’.

To be fair if you had actually followed my posts for a while you would know I called out the charity sector long ago. Having worked in the same places as various NGO’s I can see they are morally bankrupt in most cases and that the people who profess to be ‘caring’ are often times the most immoral people imagineable. I have no problem at all calling out these sickos for what they are and their attitudes to vulnerable women. The common motive here from the detail in the report seems to sexual tourism with the benefit of virtue signalling. The rape jihad movement seems to have a different motive wouldn’t you agree?

Both equally vile and you won’t get any top trumps or two wrongs make a right from me. They both need calling out for what they are. If the
Motivation is religiously justified culture for one and imperialist ‘aid’ for the other then say it. Building a equivalence for some kind of social cohesion narrative is reckless.  

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31/07/2018 at 20:39

It's not a social cohesion narrative. It's showing that there is an issue with how many males treat females and the issues are deeper than religion, skin colour and culture as the behaviour crosses all these divides.

I'm not sure about your rant against the charity sector. Blaming a 80 year old woman in Halifax who does a morning shift in Oxfam sorting clothes, during her retirement, for the actions committed by men within the NGO sector, is just ridiculous.

The common factor is men unscrupulously using power, whether through drugs, violence or aid, to abuse young girls.


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01/08/2018 at 15:08

You men ‘some men’.

Most of the alpha males I know have none of the traits you describe nor would dream of such behaviour much like you and others like to remind us about ‘most muslims’ not being hard-liners (except polling would suggest otherwise no matters such as homosexuality or apostasy).

This identity politics where people are defined by their group identity is silly.

You either buy the whole ‘patriarchy’ bullshit in which case I understand you labelling 50% of the human race as exploiters / abusers OR you need to be more careful with your words comrade.

Like I said fish out the sneaky beta males and half your detection time for who commits these crimes.

The French woman slapped it turns out has never had a girlfriend - quelle surprise, kiddy fiddlers are often loners who have little success with adult to adult relationships - anyone shocked by that?  

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01/08/2018 at 15:13

What you fail to discern is that in the case of the Muslim rape gangs is that there is a common aggravating factor in the justification in scripture for their crimes - that is new, unique, and not to be ignored if you want to combat it.

So sorry we know some men do some dispicable things but a singular rationale for a multi-variant problem is likely to get us nowhere and only of interest to total simpletons OR those with an ideological objection to revealing key factors.

For example it is well known that some cultures view ‘insurance’ differently and hence they don’t accept ‘insurance fraud’ as a thing. Perhaps it’s useful for those constructing policies etc. To know that shit so they can adjust accordingly don’t you think?  

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01/08/2018 at 16:52

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 01/08/2018 at 15:08
You men ‘some men’.

Most of the alpha males I know have none of the traits you describe nor would dream of such behaviour much like you and others like to remind us about ‘most muslims’ not being hard-liners (except polling would suggest otherwise no matters such as homosexuality or apostasy).

This identity politics where people are defined by their group identity is silly.

You either buy the whole ‘patriarchy’ bullshit in which case I understand you labelling 50% of the human race as exploiters / abusers OR you need to be more careful with your words comrade.

Like I said fish out the sneaky beta males and half your detection time for who commits these crimes.

The French woman slapped it turns out has never had a girlfriend - quelle surprise, kiddy fiddlers are often loners who have little success with adult to adult relationships - anyone shocked by that?


Why are you posting such rubbish. You claim to follow statistics rather than emotions. The vast majority of child abusers are family members abusing their own daughters/nieces/grandchildren, not random loners.


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01/08/2018 at 18:08

Most of the alpha males I know have none of the traits you describe nor would dream of such behaviour much like you and others like to remind us about ‘most muslims’ not being hard-liners (except polling would suggest otherwise no matters such as homosexuality or apostasy).

So you chat about whether you shag girls/boys or not? And you all don't? Fuck me, I'm gobslapped.

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01/08/2018 at 20:39

Quote Quote by essexgull on 01/08/2018 at 16:52


Why are you posting such rubbish. You claim to follow statistics rather than emotions. The vast majority of child abusers are family members abusing their own daughters/nieces/grandchildren, not random loners.


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Why are you replying with rubbish - we weren’t talking about the vast majority of child abusers - we were talking about charity workers and so-called grooming gangs. The police, the courts, MPs’s and the law are able to differentiate why can’t you?  

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02/08/2018 at 10:10

Virtue signallers like you look out for these popular causes. The rest of the abused get government cuts. 

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02/08/2018 at 11:08

Don’t be stupid - why don’t the cuts ever effect middle managers?

The abusers get protected by management and the managers protect themselves from the cuts.

It’s the guardian reading class that look after themselves and their own at the expense of the victims and the tax payer.


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02/08/2018 at 12:08

Don't be stupid. If you cut front line social workers to below the bare minimum, the safeguarding of kids cannot be done properly. 

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02/08/2018 at 12:29

I agree...

It’s the middle managers I identified as the proper targets for the cuts...

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03/08/2018 at 07:39

Fair enough.  

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03/08/2018 at 09:12

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 02/08/2018 at 11:08
Don’t be stupid - why don’t the cuts ever effect middle managers?

The abusers get protected by management and the managers protect themselves from the cuts.

It’s the guardian reading class that look after themselves and their own at the expense of the victims and the tax payer.


And the value adding workers I should have added.

We laugh and rightly poke fun at ridiculous nu-jobs that the public sector seems brilliant at creating.

Five-a-day coordinators, BAME promotion officer, LGBTQWEFDGVKOMH+ advocates etc etc

BUT if we just got rid of all managers with the words ‘acting’ or ‘assistant’ in their job title we would save bazillions and free up workers from all the BS that most management invents to stop workers doing their actual jobs.

That would start to solve the productivity puzzle and given we have record employment and record vacancies no one would struggle to get a proper job.  

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