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TedLloyd

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07/08/2018 at 22:57

Boris wasn't pandering to a populist right wing, he was criticising Denmark for banning the Burka. Boris was wrong, we should follow Denmark and France and Belgium etc in banning full veil Burkas. This isn't just a right wing view, many on the secular left support it, even Tenfoot Tiger who is leading a debate on it on his Facebook.  

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07/08/2018 at 23:20

We SHOULD ban the niqab and the burka unless we have somehow stopped believing that men have self-control issues and what women wear provokes uncontrollable reactions in men.

The Wahib (compulsory) interpretation of Islam (submission to god - reason be upon him) suggests that it is halal (good) to avert your man gaze to sisters in the religion and for them it is haram (bad) to expose themselves in public.

Any sistas who claim it is somehow empowering and their choice etc etc are spouting more political Bollox than BOJO the clown.

From the scripture it’s purpose and logic are absolutely clear so for me having researched the subject I actually find them offensive to women, abusive to children when they are expected to wear any form of head covering and the whole ethos behind it complete counter to freedoms won for western women.

Disgusting practice that belongs in the medieval past.

Anyone like Owen Jones posting a picture of a nun looking for some kind of equivalency simply hasn’t done their homework... 

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08/08/2018 at 10:56

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 07/08/2018 at 22:57
Boris wasn't pandering to a populist right wing, he was criticising Denmark for banning the Burka. Boris was wrong, we should follow Denmark and France and Belgium etc in banning full veil Burkas. This isn't just a right wing view, many on the secular left support it, even Tenfoot Tiger who is leading a debate on it on his Facebook.


Rather authoritarian.

Women should be allowed to wear what they want. What right do you, or I, have to say what a woman should wear. The whole problem has begun with men telling women what to wear. Doing the same won't help matters.

The government has too much input to lives as it stands, I am totally against giving them more power to determine how we dress.


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08/08/2018 at 12:05

No it's authoritarian and sexist for certain brands of patriarchal Islam to insist on fully veiling their women and would be liberating to legislate against it. No apologies Boris, we are not offended. Ban the Burka across free Western society.  

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08/08/2018 at 13:31

Demanding what someone should or should not wear is authoritarian either way. What right does a government have to tell anyone what to wear? I don't want my UK taxes being spent on policing clothing, isn't this what the religious police do in Iran?

You are right, Boris should not be forced to apologise. No-one should be forced to apologise. Hopefully it will be for the residents of Uxbridge to vote him out of a job because of the lies he has told and the way he has spoken publicly. It should be for readers to choose not to buy his books and editors to choose not to commission him to write articles because of his actions and language. Allow the free market to decide.



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08/08/2018 at 13:46

Ted's not offended. A bear shat in the wood.

I really hate to see them being worn and I often would like to ask "What the hell for?", but where will it stop if these are banned? What next?  

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08/08/2018 at 16:10

There's lots of things i don't like to see. I don't think banning it would help.

I'd rather see tax money be spent on fully offering alternatives such as free compulsory English lessons and a fully secular public life. I can't think many British policemen will be happy about having to hand out fines for someone wearing a face covering.

Like Brexit, Trump and many others, getting a clothing ban through is purely about 'getting one over them'. Nothing else.

Wimmins' rights, Animal rights etc... my harris.


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08/08/2018 at 16:38

I'd like to see Boris go to Alabama and tell the Klan they look like absolutely ridiculous, like mail boxes and bank robbers. There again picking on women is about his level.

I remember a time when if somebody told you what to wear you'd tell them to fuck off and wear it out of spite.

The only people who will free Muslim women from wearing the veil, the burka or the niqab is themselves. Not middle aged white Christian men. Its all in Rule Britannia for those that look. 

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08/08/2018 at 17:51

it’s a conundrum for sure.

Let’s not pretend the garb is empowering to women and not just part of a religious patriarchy designed to modify the behaviour of men under the idea that female flesh can make them do despicable things.

As long as we all agree it is a clear an present indication of female oppression then I can suggest Obi that the only people that will change that ultimately are the ‘scholars’ who drive the religious thought on this matter.

Personally I would like to see a total separation of state and religion and I want to live in a secular democracy thanks.  

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08/08/2018 at 18:33

A clear separation of the state and religion, but the state can tell a religion what its women can wear? Nice!  

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essexgull

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08/08/2018 at 19:19

YouGov April 2017 poll: 65% of pensioners would like to see the burqa and niqab banned. Only 26% of 18-24 year olds would like both to be banned. Percentage-point gap of 39.

Divided Britain.

Looks like it is another subject where over-65s feel strongly and not many under this age really care that much. Perhaps the problem is pensioners having a too easy life with too much time to worry about things that don't affect them.


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09/08/2018 at 08:29

Candw must hate generational voting because it highlights the xenophobia of his peers, or does it highlight the speed of enrichment where our pensioners have only seen the Burka on our streets for a short time of their lives and find it just too alien?

 

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