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26/07/2018 at 15:45

Another day another Andrew Norfolk expose story in the Time of grooming gang cover-ups and fake news. Meanwhile the Time editorial finally prints what working class activists and parents caught up in this thing have been saying for years so a question...

Can you only raise concerns and be taken seriously if middle class in the UK?  

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 26/07/2018 at 15:45
Another day another Andrew Norfolk expose story in the Time of grooming gang cover-ups and fake news. Meanwhile the Time editorial finally prints what working class activists and parents caught up in this thing have been saying for years so a question...

Can you only raise concerns and be taken seriously if middle class in the UK?


No, its just more difficult for the working class to have a voice.

At least the Muslim abusers are getting convicted. The victims didn't have to wait until the abuser is dead before anything is said. I would have thought you would have posted about yesterday's news but sadly I waited in vain.

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26/07/2018 at 16:40

Exiled: the Nigel Farage of child abuse. 

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26/07/2018 at 16:42

The issue is that the institutional child abuse is being covered in the MSM the type 2 abuse is being actively covered up and outfits such as Just Yorkshire and MEND need calling out... 

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26/07/2018 at 16:46

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/ jul/26/aston-hall-hospital-derbyshire-pol ice-report-sexual-assault-claims-kenneth- milner

Lots of coverage and no facts left out....


Meanwhile Savid Javid has asked for research to find out what the drivers are for gang based grooming etc. Well what amazing facts will that unearth?

Why would the Bradford taxi drivers association fund a survey designed to discredit the local MP?

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26/07/2018 at 16:47

Here’s one that may not have hit the nationals...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cri me/rochdale-imam-jailed-children-assault- beating-classes-abdul-rauf-court-a8427606 .html

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26/07/2018 at 16:49

THAT Andrew Norfolk? The Christian child forced to live with Muslims? With the photoshopped niqab on a woman at a park in Qatar? That lying racist cunt?

Another expose from him is as welcome as your ending of famine. 

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26/07/2018 at 16:51

Waqar Squeers? 

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 26/07/2018 at 16:46
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/ jul/26/aston-hall-hospital-derbyshire-pol ice-report-sexual-assault-claims-kenneth- milner

Lots of coverage and no facts left out....


Meanwhile Savid Javid has asked for research to find out what the drivers are for gang based grooming etc. What does that mean? Well what amazing facts will that unearth?

Why would the Bradford taxi drivers association fund a survey designed to discredit the local MP? Not all of us have looked carefully for Muslim crimes, so this makes no sense.


Kenneth Milner, who died in 1976, is thought to have carried out the abuse at Aston Hall psychiatric hospital in Derbyshire. Police said that if he were alive today, there would be “sufficient evidence” to interview him for offences including rape, indecent assault and child cruelty. Fourteen allegations of rape were made against him.

They are 40 years too late to charge him.

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26/07/2018 at 17:41

What is official is that my over-riding feeling, having just finished the 14th and final Bernie Gunther book, is that I hadn't read them at all, so I could go back and read them all again from scratch.

A hearty recommendation for anyone who likes crime, world-weary detectives and an interest in Germany from the 1930s - 1950s.



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26/07/2018 at 17:46

I've read a couple. Not sure I could fancy many more.

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26/07/2018 at 19:00

A couple of books?



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26/07/2018 at 21:24

Aha! One of them was about a Serb(?) girl, mistress of a General. And Switzerland was involved? Does that ring a bell?

No, books don't ring bells. 

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30/07/2018 at 21:36

Quote Quote by candw on 26/07/2018 at 16:49
THAT Andrew Norfolk? The Christian child forced to live with Muslims? With the photoshopped niqab on a woman at a park in Qatar? That lying racist cunt?

Another expose from him is as welcome as your ending of famine.


That ‘lying racist cunt’

And that illustrates exactly what is wrong with the hysterical left right there.

The Paul Foot award winning journalist was reporting accurately in the times. That some tabloids took to ‘cut and pasting’ his story along with photo-shopped picture allowed the hysterics to claim ‘fake news’ about real facts.

He meanwhile had NOTHING to do with that but you label him a liar and a racist. It’s daft cunts like you that will be to blame when the REAL racists show up and the word will be fucking useless. You hyperbole is like the teenager you were supposed to teach.

I never said famine had ended I posted about the decade old picture you posted and your decade old idea that the level of extreme poverty was increasing when it wasn’t.

Again why let a few facts get in the way of you being triggered... 

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31/07/2018 at 10:40

Which true facts did he post? The girl wasn't white but mixed race, she was to be brought up by her nan who was Muslim if anything, she was not forbidden to wear a cross as she didnt have one. So what did he get right?

As for the.picture being old; starving kids look alike. I never claimed desperate people numbers were increasing. You're the champion of the dirt poor, I'm more interested in the growth of inequality in my country and the tax decisions to increase it.

Your complete inability to read a post and comprehend it leads to you squealing falsehoods and insults. If you were as rich as you are bright you'd be using a food bank

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31/07/2018 at 17:56

I see you are still reading the Sun and Mirror Version of that story.

I don’t care about equality of outcomes as to enforce that has led to untold suffering, deaths and abuses whenever it has been tried. I do care about equality of opportunity and treating people fairly for their talents and hard work to thrive.

Obsessing about inequality of outcomes in the UK is diversionary and takes too many people away from some solving REAL problems.

Meanwhile absolute poverty has declined, the middle class has expanded and the wealthy have also increased in number and more ‘earned’ vs inherited wealth than ever before...

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31/07/2018 at 18:00

Racist and xenophobic abuse towards foreigners in the UK has increased since the Brexit vote, due to the nature of the Leave campaign and the following result giving many a license to be rude, show a lack of civility, revert to abuse and be racist.

A fact.


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31/07/2018 at 18:33

I do love your easy dismissal of people. I have read many versions of the story and a clarification by the man himself. He uses "in the public interest" a lot. Large parts of the story were garbage. There is no reason why the social worker should know the correct details. It wasn't her case.

Anyway, I'm sure you read his initial report and edited it before it was published. 

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31/07/2018 at 18:43

In no country in the work has equality of outcome ever been tried. If you thnk.that that is what happened in the SU you are very ill read on the subject.

Equality of opportunity is a noble idea and you and Sir Alan have proved miracles can happen. For the common mass, however, this is largely bollocks. To stop there being a vast sump at the bottom, positive and negative taxation must be used and meant. Cutting benefits, paying shit wages and giving tax breaks to.the well off is what the current government is doing. 3/4 of those using food banks are in work. No effort is being made to bring about a fairer society

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31/07/2018 at 18:44

No I read the report the article, the clarification and have seen the interviews the ‘racist’ ‘liar’ has given.

Large parts of the re-published story printed in the Sun were garbage but then I wouldn’t expect any different from them.

Meanwhile this pedantry is a great way of avoiding the actual issue... 

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04/08/2018 at 14:08

Quote Quote by candw on 26/07/2018 at 21:24
Aha! One of them was about a Serb(?) girl, mistress of a General. And Switzerland was involved? Does that ring a bell?

No, books don't ring bells.


Sounds like you've read one of the last books of the series - of which the quality weakens as the series progresses and the author expects the reader to understand the character/background. Not sure they work as standalone books.


EG 

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05/08/2018 at 09:05

OK. I certainly just picked on one, but I've no idea how or why. I was not enthralled enough to start the series.

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07/08/2018 at 02:32

Anyway, if white people wore burkas, they'd look like pillar boxes. But Muslims who wear them clearly don't. 

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07/08/2018 at 08:24

Do you really think Johnson gives a fig what a small section of women in a religious sect wear? Do you really think he comes into much/any contact with them and has any genuine opinion on their personal clothing choices?

Once again, he's playing up to a 'crowd', in this case the usual suspects, and saying the 'right' things to garner popularity, to keep himself in the public eye and to further his ambitions of political office. He is a complete snake and the media indulges his ridiculous act. The man has been in the public eye for 20 years, supported the UK being a member of the EU for 18 of them and in the 8 or so years he was mayor of London, did not make one negative comment regarding burqas. Now, attempting to surf a wave of populist opinion, he decides that the burqa is something to be mocked/banned. How is anyone still fooled by him.



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07/08/2018 at 09:33

Just another slimy politico and as inept as the rest...

Still...

If I go into a petrol station in my helmet I have to remove it.


I have read the rationale for niqab and burka and the associated logic of the ‘scholars’ that support it and can be perfectly blunt.

It has no purpose nor compatibility in a secular society except in the privacy of a persons home or place of worship which actually defeats the object.

The leaflet I got from Didsbury Mosque suggests that they prevent rapes so perhaps if all the females from 6 and up in Rochdale/Telford/ et al had worn them we wouldn’t have had those crimes... 

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07/08/2018 at 22:57

Boris wasn't pandering to a populist right wing, he was criticising Denmark for banning the Burka. Boris was wrong, we should follow Denmark and France and Belgium etc in banning full veil Burkas. This isn't just a right wing view, many on the secular left support it, even Tenfoot Tiger who is leading a debate on it on his Facebook.  

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07/08/2018 at 23:20

We SHOULD ban the niqab and the burka unless we have somehow stopped believing that men have self-control issues and what women wear provokes uncontrollable reactions in men.

The Wahib (compulsory) interpretation of Islam (submission to god - reason be upon him) suggests that it is halal (good) to avert your man gaze to sisters in the religion and for them it is haram (bad) to expose themselves in public.

Any sistas who claim it is somehow empowering and their choice etc etc are spouting more political Bollox than BOJO the clown.

From the scripture it’s purpose and logic are absolutely clear so for me having researched the subject I actually find them offensive to women, abusive to children when they are expected to wear any form of head covering and the whole ethos behind it complete counter to freedoms won for western women.

Disgusting practice that belongs in the medieval past.

Anyone like Owen Jones posting a picture of a nun looking for some kind of equivalency simply hasn’t done their homework... 

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Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 07/08/2018 at 22:57
Boris wasn't pandering to a populist right wing, he was criticising Denmark for banning the Burka. Boris was wrong, we should follow Denmark and France and Belgium etc in banning full veil Burkas. This isn't just a right wing view, many on the secular left support it, even Tenfoot Tiger who is leading a debate on it on his Facebook.


Rather authoritarian.

Women should be allowed to wear what they want. What right do you, or I, have to say what a woman should wear. The whole problem has begun with men telling women what to wear. Doing the same won't help matters.

The government has too much input to lives as it stands, I am totally against giving them more power to determine how we dress.


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08/08/2018 at 12:05

No it's authoritarian and sexist for certain brands of patriarchal Islam to insist on fully veiling their women and would be liberating to legislate against it. No apologies Boris, we are not offended. Ban the Burka across free Western society.  

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08/08/2018 at 13:31

Demanding what someone should or should not wear is authoritarian either way. What right does a government have to tell anyone what to wear? I don't want my UK taxes being spent on policing clothing, isn't this what the religious police do in Iran?

You are right, Boris should not be forced to apologise. No-one should be forced to apologise. Hopefully it will be for the residents of Uxbridge to vote him out of a job because of the lies he has told and the way he has spoken publicly. It should be for readers to choose not to buy his books and editors to choose not to commission him to write articles because of his actions and language. Allow the free market to decide.



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08/08/2018 at 13:46

Ted's not offended. A bear shat in the wood.

I really hate to see them being worn and I often would like to ask "What the hell for?", but where will it stop if these are banned? What next?  

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08/08/2018 at 16:10

There's lots of things i don't like to see. I don't think banning it would help.

I'd rather see tax money be spent on fully offering alternatives such as free compulsory English lessons and a fully secular public life. I can't think many British policemen will be happy about having to hand out fines for someone wearing a face covering.

Like Brexit, Trump and many others, getting a clothing ban through is purely about 'getting one over them'. Nothing else.

Wimmins' rights, Animal rights etc... my harris.


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08/08/2018 at 16:38

I'd like to see Boris go to Alabama and tell the Klan they look like absolutely ridiculous, like mail boxes and bank robbers. There again picking on women is about his level.

I remember a time when if somebody told you what to wear you'd tell them to fuck off and wear it out of spite.

The only people who will free Muslim women from wearing the veil, the burka or the niqab is themselves. Not middle aged white Christian men. Its all in Rule Britannia for those that look. 

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08/08/2018 at 17:51

it’s a conundrum for sure.

Let’s not pretend the garb is empowering to women and not just part of a religious patriarchy designed to modify the behaviour of men under the idea that female flesh can make them do despicable things.

As long as we all agree it is a clear an present indication of female oppression then I can suggest Obi that the only people that will change that ultimately are the ‘scholars’ who drive the religious thought on this matter.

Personally I would like to see a total separation of state and religion and I want to live in a secular democracy thanks.  

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08/08/2018 at 18:33

A clear separation of the state and religion, but the state can tell a religion what its women can wear? Nice!  

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08/08/2018 at 19:19

YouGov April 2017 poll: 65% of pensioners would like to see the burqa and niqab banned. Only 26% of 18-24 year olds would like both to be banned. Percentage-point gap of 39.

Divided Britain.

Looks like it is another subject where over-65s feel strongly and not many under this age really care that much. Perhaps the problem is pensioners having a too easy life with too much time to worry about things that don't affect them.


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Candw must hate generational voting because it highlights the xenophobia of his peers, or does it highlight the speed of enrichment where our pensioners have only seen the Burka on our streets for a short time of their lives and find it just too alien?

 

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Quote Quote by candw on 08/08/2018 at 18:33
A clear separation of the state and religion, but the state can tell a religion what its women can wear? Nice!


Not in their own homes and places of worship they can do what they want as long as they are not coercing people.

It’s not hard to get your head around.

Why are we tolerating the intolerant?

Why are we bending over backwards for something >65% of the UK population don’t want and wants banned?


I see the burka and the hijab as akin to asking people to wear a yellow star.

It’s a political thing dressed up in theocratic rationale.

I’ve read the scripture and the teachings of the ‘scholars’. There is no way anyone can do that without seeing it for what it is and those ‘sistas’ who are doing it by choice are making fools of their sistas in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Do the research.  

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 08/08/2018 at 19:19
YouGov April 2017 poll: 65% of pensioners would like to see the burqa and niqab banned. Only 26% of 18-24 year olds would like both to be banned. Percentage-point gap of 39.
Divided Britain.
Looks like it is another subject where over-65s feel strongly and not many under this age really care that much. Perhaps the problem is pensioners having a too easy life with too much time to worry about things that don't affect them.
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Too easy an analysis look at the love island Brexit discussion most youngsters are utterly clueless on such matters which is why they don’t have an opionion. The ONS has also shown both with Brexit and with the last GE that they don’t vote much either.  

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 09/08/2018 at 12:49


Not in their own homes and places of worship they can do what they want as long as they are not coercing people.

It’s not hard to get your head around.

Why are we tolerating the intolerant?

Why are we bending over backwards for something >65% of the UK population don’t want and wants banned?


I see the burka and the hijab as akin to asking people to wear a yellow star.


It’s a political thing dressed up in theocratic rationale.

I’ve read the scripture and the teachings of the ‘scholars’. There is no way anyone can do that without seeing it for what it is and those ‘sistas’ who are doing it by choice are making fools of their sistas in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Do the research.


I haven’t read the Koran. But the highlighted comment is comparing apples with oranges. There’s quite a difference between the gov’t forcing a group of people to identify themselves as in Nazi Germany and people making their own choice to wear a face covering.

I don’t really agree with the whole wearing of a burqa, but it’s not going to be stopped or helped by the gov’t banning it. It’d probably mean such women stay in doors all day instead, Is that the lesser of two evils?

The only people who will stop the burqa wearing are the Muslim women empowering themselves. Whilst I don’t think there’s been anything totally similar to burqa wearing, 100 years ago there was anti-women attitudes in this country in terms of covering up - not to the same degree we can agree.

I agree with a lot you write about religion. I have little time for it. I don’t know many people who actively partake in religious activity, most people I know identify as either atheist or agnostic. That’s an attitude which has come about over the previous 40 years as the population learns and educated themselves more easily. I’m of the opinion religion will continue dying out in the Western world over the next 50-100 years due to technology advancing itself and the whole thing being illogical and at odds with the modern world.

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 09/08/2018 at 12:51


Too easy an analysis look at the love island Brexit discussion most youngsters are utterly clueless on such matters which is why they don’t have an opionion. The ONS has also shown both with Brexit and with the last GE that they don’t vote much either.


You’re not seriously trying to suggest the contestants of Love Island are in any way a representative sample of anything other than complete idiots? 

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Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 09/08/2018 at 16:26


I don’t really agree with the whole wearing of a burqa, but it’s not going to be stopped or helped by the gov’t banning it. It’d probably mean such women stay in doors all day instead, Is that the lesser of two evils?


These French muslim women seem liberated enough Munts,

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fran ce-niqab-burqa-ban-muslim-women-veils-rem ove-what-like-a8230541.html
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