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Obadiah

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09/07/2018 at 17:04

Today we are watching the Tory Party pulling itself apart to please big business. 

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FrankieBanks

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09/07/2018 at 17:56

Good riddance you fucking old Etonian cunt Johnson wanker  

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essexgull

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09/07/2018 at 19:00

Brexit has been destroyed by the most ultra Brexiteers.

Will be a message out this week that the EU is preparing før no deal, leaving the UK screwed.

And yet still the Tories poll higher than Corbyn's mob.


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Obadiah

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09/07/2018 at 22:31

Quote Quote by essexgull on 09/07/2018 at 19:00
Brexit has been destroyed by the most ultra Brexiteers.

Will be a message out this week that the EU is preparing før no deal, leaving the UK screwed.

And yet still the Tories poll higher than Corbyn's mob.


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I think the deal with the EU has already been done. Now May doesn't need the approval of Parliament she can do sign whatever agreement with the EU she likes.

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essexgull

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10/07/2018 at 08:18

A complete mess either way.

Cameron should have come out two days after the vote and announced that he was filing article 50 and applying on behalf of the UK for it to join the EEA/Efta immediately, to maintain continuity, whilst a full political departure was negotiated by a joint party task force.

Instead you have got all this.


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10/07/2018 at 10:14

Utter failure of the leadership class (old etonian AND old islington)

Both parties more interested in tearing each other apart and also scoring points across the aisle instead of coming together to work on this epoch making mandate.

How would labour have faired had it been given the job?

Same act different clowns 

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candw

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10/07/2018 at 11:05

They wouldn't have called the referendum in the first place. It was Cameron's effort to squash his ultra right and stymie UKIP.

The whole business was a fuck up from the start. A fear of EU legislation against tax fiddlers pushes Mogg st al. 

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13/07/2018 at 16:27

We are heading for a no deal exit mark my words.

And no deal is better than any deal tories or labour could have done.

British political class couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery - none of ‘em.

When Danny Dyer becomes the voice of reason you know the countries fucked.

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essexgull

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13/07/2018 at 18:25

If there is no deal, cars exported from the UK to the EU will instantly have a 10% import tax put on them, which would decimate the industry within the UK. There will also be the issue of 3 million British who live in the EU, who technically will lose the right to... this would cause a few problems if 3 million move back to the UK overnight.,,

Many more things also, such as aircraft regulations and over 100,000 UK businesses having to get acquainted with HMRC customs rules etc., would all be left up to several authorities and thousands of workers to show common sense... which isn't likely.

As well as this, the peace process in NI would officially have to be scrapped as a hard border would have to come into place.

I'd say that a no deal won't happen - it benefits no-one and most likely, a precedent would be set by extending the negotiation date due to necessity.


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candw

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13/07/2018 at 21:53

Yeah, but a blue passport and potatoes in pounds and ounces. Perspective, comrade.

And don't mention the fucking immigrants, especially the Muslims. 

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13/07/2018 at 23:09

More Apocalyptic predictions...

Gulll your whole hypothesis was one-sided which people forget is Not the case the EU needs this too.

If it was me I would just stop paying the fucking money. Just stop the supply of cash to the EU and see how quickly they come to their senses.

That would focus minds.  

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essexgull

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14/07/2018 at 07:05

If you stop paying your electricity bill, you generally will have your electricity supply stopped.. What's the point.

I'm not a huge EU supporter politically, but the EU does seem to have a very focused mind - 27 countries are aligned regarding the UK. The issue lies with the UK unable to determine what it wants from the break-up and making requests that were denied two years ago..

They are not doomsday predictions, in the case of a no deal, the UK has a weaker hand. The myth was perpetuated that German automakers would ensure a Brexit benefitting the UK and that is not happening.


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15/07/2018 at 12:54

It's a tough one, but no deal is better than a bad deal, surely Gull? 

Now then... 

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essexgull

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15/07/2018 at 13:43

A bad deal would allow trade and movement of goods to carry on without a major disruption to the British economy. I don't condone a bad deal, but any sort of deal is better than no deal.

The problem is that only one party in the UK, right now, has any aligned ideas of what it wants and that unfortunately is the SNP.

Very few countries trade on WTO terms - they have very little benefit to any country. There's a reason why that if you buy a pack of paracetamol in the EU, you're pretty much guaranteed a standard, clean, as described drug. It's not the same in much of Africa, Asia and South America, where trading standards aren't so high and neither are regulations enforced due to 'free trade'.

The fact that this situation even exists now should mean that the Conservatives and Labour no longer exist in this form. But amazingly....


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15/07/2018 at 13:49

Quote Quote by essexgull on 14/07/2018 at 07:05
If you stop paying your electricity bill, you generally will have your electricity supply stopped.. What's the point.

I'm not a huge EU supporter politically, but the EU does seem to have a very focused mind - 27 countries are aligned regarding the UK. The issue lies with the UK unable to determine what it wants from the break-up and making requests that were denied two years ago..

They are not doomsday predictions, in the case of a no deal, the UK has a weaker hand. The myth was perpetuated that German automakers would ensure a Brexit benefitting the UK and that is not happening.

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Absolute BS - look at what’s happening at a macro-economic level. Europe is DONE it has had virtually zero growth since how long? Even flooded with low cost migrant workers it still can’t raise an economic erection. Meanwhile china, Asia and Africa are the future economically and the EU has placed its colours very clearly on the old economies and the current big global businesses. It has done this without giving a shit about its existing population - see attitudes to migrants and youth unemployment in the EU.

Forget Europe it is obsessed with the old world notion of being a counterbalance to the US and then signs TTIP.

Forget them forked tongue hypocrites

Stop paying the bills and put the effort into new global markets.  

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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