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Hulltim8 City AFC

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04/05/2018 at 10:39

Could candy, or some other leftie who says what the electorate really want is a more left wing party, run us through the SWP's success last night? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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04/05/2018 at 10:58

What a super, pertinent question, bile! The answer is 37. 

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04/05/2018 at 14:10

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 04/05/2018 at 10:39
Could candy, or some other leftie who says what the electorate really want is a more left wing party, run us through the SWP's success last night?


They supported Labour in the Council elections. You could say they were successful and got loads of councillors elected but I wouldn't.


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04/05/2018 at 14:12

Quote Quote by candw on 04/05/2018 at 10:58
What a super, pertinent question, bile! The answer is 37.


Is that their nationwide vote or their membership numbers? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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04/05/2018 at 14:20

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 04/05/2018 at 14:10


They supported Labour in the Council elections. You could say they were successful and got loads of councillors elected but I wouldn't.




25% voted in Hull - is that low enough to ignore it in an Ehab type way? Labour saw a two thirds reduction in their seats. As someone once said, many more victories like that and it will ve disastrous.

Normally the government take a pasting in local elections. The fact they didn't when so unpopular and following supposedly unpopular policies liks Brexit doesn't say much about the attraction of Corbyn and his Momentum thugs to the electorate. Labour didn't even get in in the ward where Grenfell occurred. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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04/05/2018 at 15:42

You really should be the Political Editor for the Daily Mail. Your simplistic take on yesterday's elections would grace their front page.

The "Momentum Thugs" were large numbers of people of all ages who went doorstepping and getting involved in politics. From a UKIP thug, who was once represented by the BNP, little better can be expected.

Tories lost heavily in 2014 and Labour made more gains again this time. This is despite almost 100% anti Labour/anti Corbyn coming from the media. Many Labour voters voted Lib/Green as Corbyn isn't pushing for Brexit and they think they can stop it this way.

The ward which contains the charred remains of Grenfell tower - Notting Dale - remained Labour as expected, with applause as Mr Atkinson and Judith Blakeman kept their seats.

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04/05/2018 at 16:47

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 04/05/2018 at 14:20


25% voted in Hull - is that low enough to ignore it in an Ehab type way? Labour saw a two thirds reduction in their seats. As someone once said, many more victories like that and it will ve disastrous.

Normally the government take a pasting in local elections. The fact they didn't when so unpopular and following supposedly unpopular policies liks Brexit doesn't say much about the attraction of Corbyn and his Momentum thugs to the electorate. Labour didn't even get in in the ward where Grenfell occurred.


Brexit isn't unpopular otherwise we wouldn't have voted to leave.

Corbyn is as popular as the Tories according to the BBC. Despite all the media bashing he's had to put up with over the past few months Labour still got the same number of votes as the Tories.

The UKIP vote went back to the Tories in the main which explains why they have done so well. Whether that vote remains with the Tories will depend on the deal May brings back from the EU. She's already agreed to pay billions to the EU, she close to agreeing free movement and wants to end up in a customs union which will cost us even more money.

Windrush, Carillion, Capita and the breast cancer scandal have shown the Tory Party to be incompetent. No doubt more bad news for them will follow.

In the meantime Corbyn will remain leader of the Labour Party whilst young people can't afford houses and real wages are stagnant. The next general election will be fought on a completely different battlefield to this one.








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05/05/2018 at 00:22

All of those things show the public sector to be mired in incompetence - the idea that transients like politicians have any bearing on much of what gets cooked up in the various departments they ‘run’ is crazy.

As if Hunt has ANYTHING to do with the computer algorithm that decided women after 69 didn’t need that final test is fucking bat shit crazy... 

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05/05/2018 at 13:02

The US private compamy responsible for the computer system and fuck up are one of the many brought in to bring PriSec competence to the poor old state system. Actually, to leach some money and keep revved up ready to stop the contract when their lawyers have found a way.

The fault has been found for a year. I guess it was hidden until Corbyn could be blamed for something. Cue - the Board of Deputies  

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05/05/2018 at 13:07

The buck stops anywhere but here, eh exiled. In the PriSec the CEO would be severely punished and find his leaving bonus down to about £6 000 000. Batshut crazy descries a world where people can "earn" more than the GDP of a small nation. 

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05/05/2018 at 21:06

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 05/05/2018 at 00:22
All of those things show the public sector to be mired in incompetence - the idea that transients like politicians have any bearing on much of what gets cooked up in the various departments they ‘run’ is crazy.

As if Hunt has ANYTHING to do with the computer algorithm that decided women after 69 didn’t need that final test is fucking bat shit crazy...


Very funny. Hunt runs the NHS he should have made sure there was a back-up system in place just in case the new computer system didn't work. It's not rocket science.  

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05/05/2018 at 22:56

Yeah - like the TSB system that has just had a brain fart or the NHS system that was hacked by the russians. I am not suggesting private sec is any better just that no-one will be fired at all for the fuck up.

Doesn’t matter what the ideology is to err is to be human.

And Candy thinking that capitalism has anything to do with inequality is equally daft.

Inequality pre-dates capitalism by a few billion years and has been present in every civilisational model that has ever been.  

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06/05/2018 at 09:57

We have stopped eating other humans, which predates capitalism. Surely progress is about more than prettier toys?

If the people in government make laws that advantage the rich over the poor, capitalism is a driver of inequality. It's reaching the state of those in charge openly saying "Fuck you!" to the poor, who really have little power. What they have can easily be influenced by propaganda put out by the rich where less inequality mean "someone will take your wife and your house".

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07/05/2018 at 16:18

FFS do you really believe that ANY ideology is any better?

Millions killed by dreams of “fairness and equality” communism

Millions killed by democratic socialist facism.

So far the most peaceful solution seems - create as much equality of opportunity as possible then let people progess as far as they want to / can.

Anything that seeks equality of outcome is a living nightmare. 

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07/05/2018 at 16:50

What's democratic socialist fascism? 

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