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06/05/2018 at 15:17

Quote Quote by essexgull on 06/05/2018 at 08:41


Who exactly has this aim. The US administration and political establishment is at war with each other, do you think that they put their deep-seated animosity towards each other aside to co-join in an agreed aim to gain control of Iran's reserves?

Oh, yes. Easily. The US administration is a bought entity. It is bought by those who would gain directly from stealing others' resources. It is very doubtful that the "left wing thuggish cyber warriors" could do anything about it. They would wake, like us, to an Iran saturated with US and Israeli missile strikes. Done deed.

The US is aligning itself with their biggest ally/lender/buyer in the region which places them against Iran. The US is effectively being dragged into this by Saudi Arabia - shown by Clinton's aggression towards Iran in the election campaign and last decade together with her financial and political links to SA.

After overthrowing Mossadeq and installing their Shah, the religious upheavals from the Hostage Situation onward has left the US with a lot of revenge to catch up on. I will have to do it if Israel insists.

The US gains more with Iran, a huge economic power in the region, as a customer than under their control - the cost of 'controlling' a country in the region, with all the religious and political schisms, costs more than they will gain from the resources. The British Empire, and it's collapse under the cost of administration, highlighted this... as has Iraq in more recent years. See also Chinese 'aid' and investment in infrastructure in Africa. All about opening up new markets for the increasing middle income class around the world, who are leaving poverty behind.

US doesn't want a customer that could refuse its terms. It would have to be an Iran "friendly" to the US. It is being punished and blamed for 9/11; an act carried out by Saudi and other Sunni terrorists, despite being Shia. That's the level of what it must overcome. Iran is up against that level of stupidity.

It must be admitted that Iran/KSA are both Islamic fundamentalist nations, hating each other over some silly schism, so rationality is not in great abundance.
 

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07/05/2018 at 00:24

This all assumes the US is master of its own destiny. Why it is doing the bidding of Israel and Saudi Arabia? There are suggestions that some organisation of some kind that sees itself above the US administration and political establishment. People talk of something called "The New World Order" and George Bush the elder mentioned it frequently. You're saying that's all nonsense and there isn't some global elistist cabal driving the world and its conflicts, I assume.  

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07/05/2018 at 08:47

The NWO is a right wing "thing", surely? Run by Jews and Marxists from the Frankfurt School. Or Illuminati or Lizards. One of our fascist poster was always on about it.

Without doubt there are figures who profit from both sides in conflicts. There are still more Jews in America than in Israel, so it's pretty important to be Zionist if you're a US president. The KSA has pretty much vowed never to attack Israel so they're "sanction free" form the West's point of view.

In the face of any of that, the US just seems to like being at war. Threatening war is their second favourite, followed by planning for war.l

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07/05/2018 at 16:07

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 02/05/2018 at 15:55
For a long time the Middle East seemed as straight forward as an Arab v Jew conflict with the USA backing Israel. Its now far more complicated. There are fundamental splits within Islam between Sunni & Shia muslims and moderates & extremists. Saudi are Sunni and Iran are Shia. There are power struggles within the house of Saud. Isis are not quite defeated and the Syrian Civil War is not over. Russia still back Assad. Turkey are bombing the Kurds who were prominent in pushing Isis back yet still don't have a recognised nation state. Are the Iraqi/Syrian oil fields even functioning? Yemen Civil War? Is any of it safe enough to rebuild? How long before the remnants of Al Queda/ISIS morph in to a new terror group?





Great post - also the sand in the lotion is that the whole region is based on millennia of culture based on nomadic tribes who have no needs for repeated win-win trading and mutual collaboration. If you believe you will never see your customer again you can ‘screw’ them for whatever they have got and then brag about it at the next watering hole. Whatever the superpower du hour is they get called in by the oppressed to save their skills and whenever the tribal / theocratic conflict gets out of hand. Before it was the US it was us soon the Chinese will be expected to sort the world squabbling kids out. Yes oil was a factor but these squabbles have been going on for millennia and likely will do for decades to come unless they can haul themselves out of the dark ages and release themselves from all the religious Mumbo jumbo. I am one of the who gives a fuck anymore types. Let em destroy the region together because as soon as you try to help one lot then five years later they hate you...

Total cultural incompatibility with the secular west.

Wouldn’t go to Dubai / Saudi / Israel / Eygpt / or anywhere ending in Stan if you paid me....

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09/05/2018 at 06:23

No reaction to the name of this particular company that was mentioned at the top of the thread. Perhaps viewers would like to peruse the list of its directors. Candy can play spot the typo on the first one, if he so wishes.
https://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strategi c-advisory-board/
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks /private/board.asp?privcapId=113359359

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09/05/2018 at 06:28

So, when the year ends and if the Syria and Iran goverments have been "replaced", I'll assume the stuff I've been reading and watching is more fact that fiction. 

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09/05/2018 at 07:31

Am I to assume this is all a figment of someone's imagination?



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09/05/2018 at 08:39

Another one, Qatar, new super rich moderate Arab state, Doha the new Dubai, broadcasts Al Jazeera, buys arms from us, down for holding the next World Cup, all good & stable? Neighbours Saudi are blocading them!!!  

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09/05/2018 at 10:14

A very interesting video, for once, ToP. And I don't do typos!

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09/05/2018 at 18:17

If anyone is interested, this bloke appears to have a coherent and researched take on a lot of what is going on behind the scenes in the Middle East and elsewhere. He appears to know who's funding whom and a lot more. This is the first of a series of short videos he made last year.



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09/05/2018 at 19:56

Are there others out yet, ToP?

Libya's attempt to break the monopoly of the petrodollar by introducing a gold based African financial exchange unit led to Qaddafi's death and African slave markets ongoing.

Syria is about oil pipelines and their delivery of gas to Europe.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-05-at-7.42.35-PM.png



Iran is trying to break the hold of the petrodollar as well. A suicide note?

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09/05/2018 at 23:49

There are several more. I think he recently reposted them, but some of them were not numbered. They're all around 5 minutes. I'll add some more links.

2 (5m35) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiX_hGfaZ Qo
3 (2m31) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ETmWhNl 0A
4 (9m34) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIuG2h9P7 8M
5 (5m41) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugZ9BI6Y D0
6 (11m11) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36NqTcimC iQ
7 (10m45) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhFpkoWMA cs

And there are other videos, including this one:

CIA Operations (20m33) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeZwBoI9q wE&t=16s

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10/05/2018 at 03:42

...though some are around 10 minutes. 

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10/05/2018 at 06:23

The Rothschild Syria Connection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhTMy9ma2 mQ

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10/05/2018 at 07:36

Thank you!

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