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18/04/2018 at 12:24

So the UN data now shows that for every day of the last 25 years the number of global ‘poor’ has fallen by 137,000. This big success has been driven by a small number of causal factors.

Public health provision : private or state
Women’s education and fertility control : private or state
Reducing infant mortality - last five years alone shows the greatest ever reduction
Property rights and free trade - help the poor help themselves out of serfdom
Reducing tribal conflicts - now the biggest single cause of the remaining poor

Helping countries improve governance, public health, opening them up to the rule of law, and market exchange works and works better and faster than anything we have done before.

It’s a righteous mission and more effective than shaking tins and sloganeering.  

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18/04/2018 at 14:25

So the UN is not wholly a waste of space?

"Righteous mission" shows you are spending too much time with Nortes. 

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19/04/2018 at 15:44

It’s more a factor of doing what works and stopping and dismantling what doesn’t work like charidee  

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19/04/2018 at 17:38

Charidee, as you so childishly put it, has certainly been of help to countries at the bottom of the ladder. Those in the poverty trap, for example. I'm sure you know that.

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19/04/2018 at 18:13

It's also helping many die in a more comfortable way, via palliative care, whilst suffering terminal cancer.

Why would anyone want to stop this.


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19/04/2018 at 19:17

Because most charidee is just wound dressing and virtue signalling.

Money would be better spent on root cause avoidance.  

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19/04/2018 at 21:44

Another set of platitoodies.

Root cause avoidance? I mean, if you're dirt poor, avoiding being dirt poor would help you not to be dirt poor. Eh?  

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25/04/2018 at 11:29

Well many dirt poor people are often shit with money as well as not getting much of it in the first place.

Use of education of credit unions vs. Wonga loans is a good example of fixing the root cause rather than the wound dressing of food banks as an example.  

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25/04/2018 at 11:46

I'm considering countries whose low GDP does not allow communications networks to be built, making progress very difficult.. Loans to do this are necessarily large and repayments can cripple other spending; on health, education and standard of living.

Rich people are also often shit at money, as well as getting a lot of it. Millions less is found in pension accounts that should be there, Capita and Carillion. Eh?

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25/04/2018 at 13:41

Therein lies a problem why would trust anyone with your money?

Big company pension scheme, or government one?

Someone spending other people’s money NEVER behaves the same way as if it were their own. It’s a truth I have seen in ALL walks of life.

Rich people are clearly better at ‘their’ money than most but some do it at the expense of others - many dont.  

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25/04/2018 at 15:51

Quote Quote by candw on 25/04/2018 at 11:46
I'm considering countries whose low GDP does not allow communications networks to be built, making progress very difficult.. Loans to do this are necessarily large and repayments can cripple other spending; on health, education and standard of living.

Rich people are also often shit at money, as well as getting a lot of it. Millions less is found in pension accounts that should be there, Capita and Carillion. Eh?


Wealthy people can afford to be bad with money.

If you can't afford to feed your wife and two children, but spend £10 a day on a packet of cigarettes, that is a different matter.

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25/04/2018 at 17:46

So you lead a fucking stressful life. Roll ups come a lot cheaper. They probably have a drink or two now and then. The bastards.

I know you believe that it's their fault that they are poor. Low moral fibre and fecklessness, eh? If the rich cunts weren't trousering so much that they can afford to be bad at money, there's be more for those less well off. But, of course, you know that and are only joking. 

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25/04/2018 at 18:14

Quote Quote by candw on 25/04/2018 at 17:46
So you lead a fucking stressful life. Roll ups come a lot cheaper. They probably have a drink or two now and then. The bastards.

I know you believe that it's their fault that they are poor. Low moral fibre and fecklessness, eh? If the rich cunts weren't trousering so much that they can afford to be bad at money, there's be more for those less well off. But, of course, you know that and are only joking.


Hmm, yes and no to most of those points.


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27/04/2018 at 05:17

I’m with Exiled.

Get one single charity for each issue NOT already covered by the private sector, rather than the 72 different ones, and that is just in the same country.

Easy example. Why have the Royal Legion and Help for Heroes? H for H has admin costs running in to millions. Nice job that for a bunch of people who probably wear it as a badge while taking home a decent salary.

Cancer research is another. When the NHS is billed £500 for one pill made by Glaxo for 10p, a go when it is 50p in the shops etc one wonders why Joseph public has to buy a sticky badge every Saturday morning outside Tesco.

It’s not PC though is it to say Charity needs fixing.

BTW, Just Giving takes 5%. Just Taking then.

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27/04/2018 at 18:26

I think most would be happy to stop giving to charities, and their well-paid managers, if tax-payers, voters and governments stepped up and did the role that charities participate towards. As it is, most who give to charity realise that a large percentage will be 'wasted' on salaries and IT systems etc. but that some of what they give will eventually do some good.

Realistically, charities operating in third world countries will inevitably have to pay some bribes, pay large salaries for administrators and probably lose some money throughout the journey to end user - no different from any other business operating in war/famine zones.

On a local basis, you can't expect a nurse to work for Macmillan Cancer Care for free or in her/his spare time, so of course a lot of what is donated goes to cover the salaries of staff in the charity. Nor can an international charity be operated from someone's bedroom who has a passing interest in accountancy.

If everyone stopped giving anything to charity now, there would be a lot of deaths. It's easy to say to stop donating if you have no skin in the game, but someone who has family who are reliant on said organisation would face awful consequences.



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