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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 19/03/2018 at 14:34


and the battleground for the civil war within the religion of peace not to be in this country. Actually, there are more than three things, but those will do for a start.



Despite liberal attempts to label them far right EDL2 we may have finally got a populist non-racist street protest movement against Islamic extremism. The Football Lads Alliance. Keep an eye on Birmingham on Saturday. Anti-fascist left wing fascists planning obligatory counter demos. 

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20/03/2018 at 13:21

Football lads alliance. LOL!

Half of them are bald and fiftyish.

Do they really know who the extremists are, or are they open minded enough to include women with headscarves and brown blokes with beards? Some can't tell Sikh from a Muslim and don't really care. 

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20/03/2018 at 15:34

The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Would you like to hazard a guess as to the total number of people that grouping includes, ToP?

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
Trudeau is a bourgeois politician and will not introduce sharia law. Another fairy tale of the far right.


I hope you're right.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
If you don't care what Muslim women wear then you, like Trudeau, must have opposed Bernard Drainville's proposed Quebec Charter of Values.


It's not up to me what they wear. I haven't read this charter of values.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
I have no idea what intersectionality is or what identity politics are. I was taught to treat other people as you would like to be treated yourself if that helps.


I agree, but the two things I mention are creeping into law in some countries and they are seriously bad.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
Linda Sarsur is a Muslim who defends her right to practice Islam her way. Isn't that what religious freedom means? What has she said that upsets you so much?


It isn't what she's said as the fact that practitioners of the two elements above are embracing her as some sort of icon on a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" basis.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
We agree that Canada is hypocritical when it comes to benefiting from torture, although culpability clearly belonged to previous governments.


Quite possibly.


I'm aware that there are almost always dodgy things going on and those dodgy things may or may not have any kind of long term effect for good or bad. I've mentioned some dodgy things, as has Exiled, and they may turn out to be transitory. If you think it's nothing to worry about, fine. I've mentioned stuff that concerns me. Again, it may be transitory and I hope it is. For those of the opinion that stuff they don't already know about is stuff that will have no effect on their lives, don't bother checking it out. It's stuff that affects what appears to be your spheres of expertise, not mine. If and when it does seep into your lives, to whatever extent, you've at least had a hint of it.  

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20/03/2018 at 16:46

An online personality, who trained his pug to heil hitler as a joke, has been found guilty of a hate crime.

Pretty much every man who was a schoolboy pre-1995 and John Cleese must be expecting a visit from the filth around now.


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21/03/2018 at 01:09

Quote Quote by candw on 20/03/2018 at 15:34
The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Would you like to hazard a guess as to the total number of people that grouping includes, ToP?


It's not a lot, granted, but they're having knock-on effects. There are many universities in Canada and the USA that are basically training grounds for social justice activists. Take people who do nonsense courses such as gender studies. What is open to them afterwards? Wel, there's lecturing at universities and then... but some of these people are taking up politics and law and creating ideological driven but totally barmy laws. Do stick around and watch it all arrive here.

I'm no expert on these things, but I've heard and read about Marx wanting to destroy the nuclear family. Is it any coincidence that the number of black Americans born to unmarried mothers rocketed after the 1950s? That's someone's social experimenting and it has not had a good effect, other than increasing the numbers of "victims" for the social experimenters who created all those victims to whinge about for decades. And while their chosen "victims" continue to struggle, those of Asian descent in the US are doing better than even white Americans. As are Nigerian immigrants over there. So much for white oppression. 

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21/03/2018 at 08:39

The “nuclear family” - Dad goes to work, mum stays at home with 2 kids - has never really existed. It was just seen as the “ideal”.

Most households have two working parents and always have done. Mum staying at home is the exception and not the norm.

I really doubt a Gender Studies graduate has much influence over society. This getting offended by everything, appears to be an occasional media/Twitter screech. And quite frankly nothing more.

Does anyone at your work correct you for using non-gender specific pronouns? No one I work called me out for “choosing” my son’s gender for him when he was born in December. If they had it would have been returned with a “fuck off dick head” Just because some idiot with nothing better to do, does this sort of thing on social media and an army of “followers” slavers all over the comment, does not mean it’s a universal thought or there’s some consensus about it. 

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21/03/2018 at 11:03

Marx responsible for absentee Black fathers.

Nigerians do better than those who graduated from slaves to, in my lifetime, being able to sit anywhere on a bus and go to schools with whites, shows that America is a truly not racist.

"Victims" being created by "experimenters" for their own purposes.

Some whites do worse than some non whites.

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21/03/2018 at 15:21

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 21/03/2018 at 08:39
The “nuclear family” - Dad goes to work, mum stays at home with 2 kids - has never really existed. It was just seen as the “ideal”.

Most households have two working parents and always have done. Mum staying at home is the exception and not the norm.

I really doubt a Gender Studies graduate has much influence over society. This getting offended by everything, appears to be an occasional media/Twitter screech. And quite frankly nothing more.

Does anyone at your work correct you for using non-gender specific pronouns? No one I work called me out for “choosing” my son’s gender for him when he was born in December. If they had it would have been returned with a “fuck off dick head” Just because some idiot with nothing better to do, does this sort of thing on social media and an army of “followers” slavers all over the comment, does not mean it’s a universal thought or there’s some consensus about it.


And I agree with your common sense approach, but whether you like it or not, universities in Canada and the USA are breeding these kind of idiots. Let me give you a question; what do you think happens to university lecturers in dross like gender studies and feminist theory when most women's problems having been fixed or greatly diminished in some of the most free countries the world has ever known? They have a vested interest in their own salaries and rather than concentrate on problems women have abroad, they invent newer and more absurd infractions to pummel others with. TO KEEP THEMSELVES AND THEIR FETID INDUSTRY GOING.

In Canada, as of last year, it is now to "misgender" someone. That means all the assumptions we've made all our lives are out of the window. There are transgender people there and in the USA inventing new sets of third-person pronouns they want and expect people to use about them instead of he/him or she/her. Most transgender people want to go from being male or female to being the other. In New York, there are more than SEVENTY sets of these replacement pronouns. In Canada, if you've been asked by a person to use one set and persist in using the standard ones (lots of people don't believe that any amount of surgery can make someone of one sex into someone of the other). Further, in that Canadian law, it's no longer legal even for biologist to say that there are two genders. Over there, the legal position is that it's a spectrum. Not only is misgendering a crime, but the transgressor is judged by something called The Ontario Human Rights Commission. It doesn't even involve a jury. The OHRC is ideologically driven and have powers to fine people. Anyone refusing to be fined can be imprisoned or have property confiscated.

THIS is how ridiculous it's become. A stupid law (not untypical of Trudeau's era) and the only jury is irrevocably biased. And this trial by tribunal is the norm on university campuses for sexual assault in Canada and the USA.

Just because it's bloody ridiculous and shouldn't be happening doesn't mean it isn't, and if it can happen in Canada, it can happen in the US and here. You're familiar with the phrase "if the US sneezes, Britain catches a cold". Stupid is infectious. 

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21/03/2018 at 15:24

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 21/03/2018 at 08:39
The “nuclear family” - Dad goes to work, mum stays at home with 2 kids - has never really existed. It was just seen as the “ideal”.


The point isn't whether mother works. The point is about male role models for youngsters. Studies (you can look them up if you want) show that kids from broken homes with no stable role model are several times more likely to go off the rails and end up on prison. That's not to criticise the efforts that most single mothers put into bringing up kids alone, it's just an across the board average. 

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21/03/2018 at 15:44

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The point isn't whether mother works. The point is about male role models for youngsters. Studies (you can look them up if you want) show that kids from broken homes with no stable role model are several times more likely to go off the rails and end up on prison. That's not to criticise the efforts that most single mothers put into bringing up kids alone, it's just an across the board average.


How do you explain what happened between 1939 and 1945? How many single parents came out of the second world war? How many of their children ended up going off the rails or in prison? The sample size is huge so it shouldn't be too difficult to make some reasonably accurate generalisations.  

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Quote Quote by candw on 21/03/2018 at 11:03
Marx responsible for absentee Black fathers.


What's your explanation then?

Quote Quote by candw on 21/03/2018 at 11:03
Nigerians do better than those who graduated from slaves to, in my lifetime, being able to sit anywhere on a bus and go to schools with whites, shows that America is a truly not racist.


I'm sure that considerable amounts of America are racist, particularly those that claim to follow some sort of god. Meanwhile, I'd be hugely surprised if the racist elements can distinguish between those descended from slaves and those relatively recently arrived from Nigeria.

Quote Quote by candw on 21/03/2018 at 11:03
"Victims" being created by "experimenters" for their own purposes.


You think there are no social experimenters? Let me give you a parallel that you can relate to. I'm aware that the UK department of education fires out lorry loads of speculative unproven initiatives at UK schools and expects it all to be implemented without trials and without ever reviewing the effects of last week's lorry load of drivel. The world of social justive activists think that they can change the world by tweaking this or tweaking that or abolishing or banning something. They pay no heed to the "law" of unintended consequences and they do not collect evidence on the effects of their meddling. Possibly it's well-meant, but whether that's the case or not, many will often persist with some course of meddling, even if disastrous, merely because it suits their belief system.

Do you really think that never happens?

It has been said that Marxists are not driven by concern for the poor and the workers, but by hatred of the wealthy. It has also been said that Marxists actually despire the poor and the workers and use them for convenience in their class war against the wealthy. Orwell must have said or implied something along these lines.

Quote Quote by candw on 21/03/2018 at 11:03
Some whites do worse than some non whites.


Of course. 

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 21/03/2018 at 15:21


And I agree with your common sense approach, but whether you like it or not, universities in Canada and the USA are breeding these kind of idiots. Let me give you a question; what do you think happens to university lecturers in dross like gender studies and feminist theory when most women's problems having been fixed or greatly diminished in some of the most free countries the world has ever known? They have a vested interest in their own salaries and rather than concentrate on problems women have abroad, they invent newer and more absurd infractions to pummel others with. TO KEEP THEMSELVES AND THEIR FETID INDUSTRY GOING.

DOESN’T MEAN YOU OR I HAVE TO LISTEN OR ACCEPT THEIR NONSENSE. I CERTAINLY ARENT GOING OUT OF MY WAY TO READ THEIR PUBLICATIONS AND I’M NOT PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE ANTITHESIS[]

In Canada, as of last year, it is now to "misgender" someone. That means all the assumptions we've made all our lives are out of the window. There are transgender people there and in the USA inventing new sets of third-person pronouns they want and expect people to use about them instead of he/him or she/her. Most transgender people want to go from being male or female to being the other. In New York, there are more than SEVENTY sets of these replacement pronouns. In Canada, if you've been asked by a person to use one set and persist in using the standard ones (lots of people don't believe that any amount of surgery can make someone of one sex into someone of the other). Further, in that Canadian law, it's no longer legal even for biologist to say that there are two genders. Over there, the legal position is that it's a spectrum. Not only is misgendering a crime, but the transgressor is judged by something called The Ontario Human Rights Commission. It doesn't even involve a jury. The OHRC is ideologically driven and have powers to fine people. Anyone refusing to be fined can be imprisoned or have property confiscated.

THIS is how ridiculous it's become. A stupid law (not untypical of Trudeau's era) and the only jury is irrevocably biased. And this trial by tribunal is the norm on university campuses for sexual assault in Canada and the USA.

Just because it's bloody ridiculous and shouldn't be happening doesn't mean it isn't, and if it can happen in Canada, it can happen in the US and here. You're familiar with the phrase "if the US sneezes, Britain catches a cold". Stupid is infectious.


In the U.K. not all criminal offences are tried in front of a jury, in fact most aren’t - only the very serious. It’s done in front of magistrates and a justice of the peace. Refusing to pay penalty notices, speeding tickets and magistrates finds can make you end up in prison. I’d like to think our justice system affords some protection against silliness via case law and parliament: like the removal of insulting from the public order act, and it not being possible to commit certain offences in one’s own home.

Have we adopted the USA’s gun laws? Medical system, love of baseball and other silly sports? The US has already made a mess of the English language with their silly suffixes, so 70 new pronouns that no one will remember won’t make much difference. Are they really going to be adopted and used? Are these transgender people speaking for their minority or their majority?

If these people - whoever and wherever they are - want to ostracise themselves and make a rod for their own back, so be it.


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The Prince of Munster

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21/03/2018 at 18:49

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 21/03/2018 at 15:24


The point isn't whether mother works. The point is about male role models for youngsters. Studies (you can look them up if you want) show that kids from broken homes with no stable role model are several times more likely to go off the rails and end up on prison. That's not to criticise the efforts that most single mothers put into bringing up kids alone, it's just an across the board average.


From my own professional observations it’s a simplistic observation - single mother=more likely to produce unruly yobs. There’s further factors.

1. The big one being whether the father is completely absent - through intent or being forced by mother.
2. Access to extended family support
3. Peer group
4. History of familial offending - sometimes why Dad is absent

Etc...

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It has been said that Marxists are not driven by concern for the poor and the workers, but by hatred of the wealthy. It has also been said that Marxists actually despise the poor and the workers and use them for convenience in their class war against the wealthy. Orwell must have said or implied something along these lines.

It has been said that Jeremy Corbyn was a Communist spy. It has been said that Jeremy Corbyn is Putin's Puppet. It has been said that Capitalists hate the poor and despise them for not buying enough of their products and look upon them as customers not people. It has been said that Marxism is a philosophy, not a guide to running a country. It has been said that the Left in Britain is not Communist, but Socialist, meaning they believe in private enterprise and public enterprise working together. It has been said that Socialists believe in a fairer society which doesn't give, for example, tax breaks to those already comfortably off and removed the help that some people need to live decent lives.

Fucking tons have been said!

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