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16/03/2018 at 12:11

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 16/03/2018 at 08:36
It seems that this isn't about free speech at all. Its about the right of anyone to enter this country without a valid visa. I'm surprised Tommy Robinson thinks this is a good idea, but they did want to promote his views.


Didn't the Great Crusader get done for using a forged passport to gain entry to US, which his previous record denied him to do in his own name?

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16/03/2018 at 13:09

Quote Quote by candw on 16/03/2018 at 12:11


Didn't the Great Crusader get done for using a forged passport to gain entry to US, which his previous record denied him to do in his own name?


I've got no idea. I think this is all a great big publicity stunt. They would have got no attention at all if she'd applied for a visa to interview Tommy Robinson. As a result of being refused entry to the UK they could portray themselves as helpless victims of a vicious Tory government whereas in reality they should have checked this advice from their own government.

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united- kingdom

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16/03/2018 at 13:21

People always remember the headlines, like "RW Speaker Banned" and most never read the actual truth of what happened. The papers are good at that. "Corbyn and the Czech Spy" ran for ages under banner headlines, while inside the same papers were admitting it wasn't quite what they were shrieking.

I like the threat! You are much less likely to be killed by a "random shooter" in the US than a terrorist in the UK.

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17/03/2018 at 22:02

Quote Quote by candw on 14/03/2018 at 13:33
Teddie, is that it? It's not quite I hate fucking Muslims, is it?


The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Identity politics and intersectionality are racism/sexism/ageism/everyotherism from the far left, and no less pernicious than anyone else's, despite the free passes from the media. Political correctness = censorship, end of.

Shark-infested waters, left-wing hate speech, QED. It's the reviving of the monsters that stopped me and millions of others from voting Labour from 1979 to 2016. Now it's back to foil Corbyn's PM chances, as I feared it would. 

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17/03/2018 at 22:09

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The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Identity politics and intersectionality are racism/sexism/ageism/everyotherism from the far left, and no less pernicious than anyone else's, despite the free passes from the media. Political correctness = censorship, end of.

Shark-infested waters, left-wing hate speech, QED. It's the reviving of the monsters that stopped me and millions of others from voting Labour from 1979 to 2016. Now it's back to foil Corbyn's PM chances, as I feared it would.


The Marxists I know don't want sharia in Britain and some are fighting against it in their own countries. Sometimes you do write shit.

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18/03/2018 at 09:30

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 17/03/2018 at 22:02


The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Identity politics and intersectionality are racism/sexism/ageism/everyotherism from the far left, and no less pernicious than anyone else's, despite the free passes from the media. Political correctness = censorship, end of.

Shark-infested waters, left-wing hate speech, QED. It's the reviving of the monsters that stopped me and millions of others from voting Labour from 1979 to 2016. Now it's back to foil Corbyn's PM chances, as I feared it would.


How the absolute fuck have you got bogged down in such esoteric nonsense, ToP? And if this - whatever - stopped you voting Labour from 1979 to 2016, through all it's variations, it seems should should carry on voting Tory/UKIP.

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18/03/2018 at 22:58

Quote Quote by candw on 18/03/2018 at 09:30


How the absolute fuck have you got bogged down in such esoteric nonsense, ToP? And if this - whatever - stopped you voting Labour from 1979 to 2016, through all it's variations, it seems should should carry on voting Tory/UKIP.


I've never voted Tory and I've never voted UKip.

So, the SWP. Derek Hatton's Militant Tendency. The hard-left, authoritarians. They do their best to prevent Labour governments by frightening the hell out of voters who are more "of the centre". Including me.

I hope the stuff is "esoteric nonsense", but it's infecting countries like Canada, Australia, Sweden, etc, etc, and affecting/infecting laws that are created in those places and here.

Are you familiar with identity politics (aka The Victimhood Olympics) and intersectionality? They're taking a grip here and in many other countries. Yes, it's all illogical heinous sick garbage, but their adherents are messing with the universities and the media. The age of unreason is on us. 

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18/03/2018 at 23:01

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The Marxists I know don't want sharia in Britain and some are fighting against it in their own countries. Sometimes you do write shit.


Not all of them. The whatever-it-is-now wave feminists view all shades of Islam as allies. Trudeau gave an ex-Guantanamo prisoner who'd killed a US serviceman ten million dollars compo rather than have the claim go through the courts. Look it up. 

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19/03/2018 at 11:09

Centrist policies in this country seem to mean giving tax and other breaks to the rich to encourage them to perform whilst the poor should have more taken away to encourage them to perform better. With Thatcher forcing the centre to move to the right and Blair moving it only a small distance back again, 10 years of Austerity has shifted it further rightward. The centre ground is now just to the right of Ted Heath. 

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19/03/2018 at 14:34

Quote Quote by candw on 19/03/2018 at 11:09
Centrist policies in this country seem to mean giving tax and other breaks to the rich to encourage them to perform whilst the poor should have more taken away to encourage them to perform better. With Thatcher forcing the centre to move to the right and Blair moving it only a small distance back again, 10 years of Austerity has shifted it further rightward. The centre ground is now just to the right of Ted Heath.


When was the last time we had a centrist party in power? The LibDems don't count? Blair's lot were to the right of all British Labour governments.

There are three things I want: an end to the neoliberal financial model, the NHS not to get privatised, and the battleground for the civil war within the religion of peace not to be in this country. Actually, there are more than three things, but those will do for a start.

Austerity always shifts atttudes rightwards. The Tories are still bastards. 

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19/03/2018 at 15:33

A centrist government is one that just selects policies from the left and from the right. The UK has really only ever had a centrist government with leanings to either side. The left and right claims are all just relative to previous.

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19/03/2018 at 15:46

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 19/03/2018 at 14:34


When was the last time we had a centrist party in power? The LibDems don't count? Blair's lot were to the right of all British Labour governments.

There are three things I want: an end to the neoliberal financial model, the NHS not to get privatised, and the battleground for the civil war within the religion of peace not to be in this country. Actually, there are more than three things, but those will do for a start.

Austerity always shifts atttudes rightwards. The Tories are still bastards.


Those three would be on my list too but I would want to agree new definitions of what it means for something to be well run or not. Sustainably run railways for example I think are impossible in this country without MASSIVD subsidy or fares. We have to be honest. The crooked running of the east coast line with ZERO investment and then proclamation that nationalisation is the way forward is worse than some of the Tory claims that everything is better in private hands. I want the best mixed of our economy not for ideological reasons for proper value for money. Theoretically public ownership should on paper be superior as the profit motive would be purely for reinvestment BUT we find that all over the world the theory falls apart when people are spending other people's money. On the flip side the worst capitalists will think nothing of running something into the ground for a quick buck. The common denominator here is cuntish behaviour from those running the show and the polticians faking shit for their own ends whatever side of the spectrum they are on. In our two party state I will only ever be a centrist with Labour vs. Tories as its the only moral position make IMO. If a new party arrived made up of people who knew how to run the show well I would be voting for them but it won't happen. Meanwhile having made the transition from print / TV media to newer forms I have been completely 'red-pilled' on matters of the MSM and can't believe the black outs of pretty significant stuff. I am shocked at the lack of reporting from speakers corner on Sunday and having read Tommy Robinsons, enemy of the state, seen his York / Oxford university speeches and then the shameful attempts to link him to Darren Osbourne and terrorism I cannot believe that the state think what they are doing is anything but a really really bad idea.
Obi the reason your Marxists don't want sharia but many younger Marxists have got into bed with Islam is that the left seems to have lost all ideas of what is centrist and what is far right. The real far right of nazi skin headed white supremacists have been in decline all my adult life. In the USA all they can muster is a few hundred at best, same in various countries in Europe. Meanwhile you have now got young lefties running around in face masks dying to punch a nazi which now seems to be anyone right of Jeremy Corbyn. A mate was de-selected from his labour council post for the crime of being a capitalist cleaning company owner. Nevermind that his work force is made up of ex-offenders, ex homeless etc. When we have deluge campaigns like #metoo and working class kids are being systematically abused yet not mentioned what will happen? When we have 'hate crimes' registered for offensive jokes like the so-called nazi dog on YouTube but allow hate filled sermons up and down the land what will happen? When criticism of a religion is conflated as racism or islamaphobia what will happen if we have a real Pogrom?

Identity politics is always murderous in extremis from the soviets and the nazis we have learned these lessons from history via millions of dead brothers and sisters so why the fuck would any reasonable person not want to warn of what's going on now? It's already taken over the universities, infected Canada, and many parts of the urban landscape of the U.K. Yet is completely un-reported...

And yes white folks abuse kids too, and capitalism has blood on its hands too, etc. Etc hence why the centre ground needs claiming and fast otherwise we are in for dystopian times ahead.  

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19/03/2018 at 16:09

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Not all of them. The whatever-it-is-now wave feminists view all shades of Islam as allies. Trudeau gave an ex-Guantanamo prisoner who'd killed a US serviceman ten million dollars compo rather than have the claim go through the courts. Look it up.


Name me a Marxist who wants Sharia law in the UK? I doubt you'll find one.

Some feminists in Canada argue Muslim women should be forced to remove the veil and some believe its up to the individual. I find it strange that someone who posts so often on free speech wants to restrict what a woman can and cannot wear.

Omar Khadr was tortured to provide information to the Canadian government. No wonder Trudeau paid ten million dollars to stop the extent of his government's culpability in torture becoming public knowledge.  

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19/03/2018 at 17:03

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 19/03/2018 at 16:09


Name me a Marxist who wants Sharia law in the UK? I doubt you'll find one.


Yeah, I'll get back to you. I take it you're familiar with identity politics and intersectionality. Trudeau will have sharia in Canada if they are stupid enough to re-elect him.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 19/03/2018 at 16:09
Some feminists in Canada argue Muslim women should be forced to remove the veil and some believe its up to the individual. I find it strange that someone who posts so often on free speech wants to restrict what a woman can and cannot wear.


Me? I never mentioned anything about what Muslim women wear. I know there are Iranian women risking arrest by not wearing the dalek hoods while feminists in the rest of the world are wearing the bloody things "in solidarity" with Muslim women. I heard - and it may be wrong - that there is no religious requirement for women to wear the thing. There's a woman at the other side of the pond called Linda Sarsur (sp?) who seems to be luring the madder feminists into supporting more restrictive Islam and she often addresses these women's marches they suddenly keep having over there because Trump.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 19/03/2018 at 16:09

Omar Khadr was tortured to provide information to the Canadian government. No wonder Trudeau paid ten million dollars to stop the extent of his government's culpability in torture becoming public knowledge.


Yeah, no wonder. 

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20/03/2018 at 10:10

TOM when did Trudeau announce his opposition to legalising cannabis? I thought he'd changed the law to allow it to be legally sold in Canada.

Trudeau is a bourgeois politician and will not introduce sharia law. Another fairy tale of the far right.

If you don't care what Muslim women wear then you, like Trudeau, must have opposed Bernard Drainville's proposed Quebec Charter of Values.

I have no idea what intersectionality is or what identity politics are. I was taught to treat other people as you would like to be treated yourself if that helps.

Linda Sarsur is a Muslim who defends her right to practice Islam her way. Isn't that what religious freedom means? What has she said that upsets you so much?

We agree that Canada is hypocritical when it comes to benefiting from torture, although culpability clearly belonged to previous governments. 

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