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12/03/2018 at 14:10

So, here's a thing.

Two people fly to a country to interview someone who was born there and is a citizen there. The two people are arrested, held for a few days, and then deported and banned from returning.

What sort of reaction would we expect? 

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12/03/2018 at 16:29

It would depend on the background of the two interviewers and the reason for their future banning.

If one had a history of running training camps for white nationalist cults preparing for a race war and was using the guise of the interview to spread disharmony, then a ban isn't perhaps a bad thing. It's more of a shame that similar bans aren't used more rigorously towards other criminals and hate preachers - this is what I'd focus on.


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12/03/2018 at 17:38

I'd focus on that too, but hate preachers are given free passes by the authoritarians, the collectivists, the identity politics fraudsters, the intersectionalists, and the other loonies.

In the past we used to let loonies speak so we could laugh at them or argue with them. Hate speech isn't a thing. You can't control thoughts, but the loony end are criminalising wrongthing. If you clamp down in this way, you drive things underground where it can't be policed and kept an eye on.

Diversity is, for the most unsound reasons, pursued with fanatical vigour, except diversity of thought, which is now a crime.

Fuckwittery abounds and freedom of speech is history. Facts and truth are the next victims. 

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12/03/2018 at 18:09

So should radical Islamists and those calling for holy war against the west be allowed to come to the UK and speak to mosques, as free speech would surely be granted to allow this?


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12/03/2018 at 18:12

'Diversity is, for the most unsound reasons, pursued with fanatical vigour, except diversity of thought, which is now a crime'

I'm having that, TOP... 

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12/03/2018 at 18:18

Quote Quote by essexgull on 12/03/2018 at 18:09
So should radical Islamists and those calling for holy war against the west be allowed to come to the UK and speak to mosques, as free speech would surely be granted to allow this?


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Ha ha! Surely it would, but once immigrants have proved themselves to be loonies they should be repatriated to somewhere suitable, such as Antarctica or Jupiter. 

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12/03/2018 at 18:23

I don't entirely disagree. The UK seems to have divided into two, in my absence.


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Quote Quote by essexgull on 12/03/2018 at 18:23
I don't entirely disagree. The UK seems to have divided into two, in my absence.


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Online vigilanteism is a growing concern. 

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12/03/2018 at 19:16

So, ToP dude, what the fuck has happened to you lately? Do you live in Canada?

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12/03/2018 at 19:17

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 12/03/2018 at 18:18


Ha ha! Surely it would, but once immigrants have proved themselves to be loonies they should be repatriated to somewhere suitable, such as Antarctica or Jupiter.


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12/03/2018 at 19:32

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 12/03/2018 at 18:50


Online vigilanteism is a growing concern.


Indeed, but I'd also hazard a guess that pre existing divisions are being exploited and increased by external forces to weaken collective power.


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Quote Quote by candw on 12/03/2018 at 19:17


Are you the judge? Am I? Do we flip a coin?


The judiciary should be the judges. Immigrants should at least make a stab at assimilating and should certainly aim to settle in peacefully. Unfortunately we live in a society full of self-flagellating morons who want to bend over backwards to subjugate all of us to ridiculous foreign religions.

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Quote Quote by candw on 12/03/2018 at 19:16
So, ToP dude, what the fuck has happened to you lately? Do you live in Canada?


Watching the growing lunacy on YouTube. Sweden, Canada, Australia... Germany soon going the same way. Italy and Holland trying to hang on. Flooded with economic migrants masquerading as something else. Some countries - Poland and the Slav countries - have been invaded in living memory and are resisting Merkel's idiocy. It wouldn't be so bad if the worst of these countries weren't committing suicide and weren't being so dishonest about it.

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13/03/2018 at 18:18

So. I know Robinson is far right, but this is ridiculous. Islamic hate speech is fine, along with their bombs, left wing hate speech is fine, right wing is banned, Now we don't even get to ridicule the ridiculous. In fact, the regime is now ridiculous. Having blasphemy laws is disgusting.



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13/03/2018 at 20:04

Islamic hate speech is often banned, sites/accounts closed. I'm unsure about Left hate speech as I have not come across it: unless, of course, it is railing against the tax cuts to the well off as the poor get poorer. As for Der Stürmer speak...

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14/03/2018 at 07:56

It’s a paradox that left wing hate speech is not seen as a thing. When I see a hammer and sickle I think of the millions who died under its yoke, I just see the equivalent of a swastika. One seems to be acceptable to own and wear the other not. Also the term far right has become ridiculously over played and ultimately devalued now. According to the government department reposnible for tracking them, the EDL was deemed to be centrist, the football lads alliance is centrist, as they reflect mainstream centrist views yet they are portrayed by the media and hysterical commentators as ‘far-right’. Lauren Southern being held under the terrorism act and denied entry into the UK is simply unfathomable to me and the only conclusion I can reach is that we are now
Enforcing blasphemy laws on behalf of the Islamic religion.

Very very worrying precedents.

I support free speech - I want to hear ideas even ones I disagree with - if I can’t hear what someone has to say I can’t make my mind up.

Let’s see what happens at speakers corner on Sunday  

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14/03/2018 at 10:24

A couple of points.

Give an example of Left wing hate speech.

The difference between hammer and sickle and swastika is that one set off in hope, the other was based on conquest and racial discrimination from the outset. One could be resurrected, the other must never be allowed to.



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14/03/2018 at 12:37

Quote Quote by candw on 14/03/2018 at 10:24


Give an example of Left wing hate speech.




Lefties often expressed their hatred of Thatcher. 

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14/03/2018 at 13:33

Teddie, is that it? It's not quite I hate fucking Muslims, is it?  

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14/03/2018 at 16:42

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2018 at 07:56
It’s a paradox that left wing hate speech is not seen as a thing. When I see a hammer and sickle I think of the millions who died under its yoke, I just see the equivalent of a swastika. One seems to be acceptable to own and wear the other not. Also the term far right has become ridiculously over played and ultimately devalued now. According to the government department reposnible for tracking them, the EDL was deemed to be centrist, the football lads alliance is centrist, as they reflect mainstream centrist views yet they are portrayed by the media and hysterical commentators as ‘far-right’. Lauren Southern being held under the terrorism act and denied entry into the UK is simply unfathomable to me and the only conclusion I can reach is that we are now
Enforcing blasphemy laws on behalf of the Islamic religion.

Very very worrying precedents.

I support free speech - I want to hear ideas even ones I disagree with - if I can’t hear what someone has to say I can’t make my mind up.

Let’s see what happens at speakers corner on Sunday


Was Lauren Southern in Luton to genuinely investigate and report something, that if we are honest, has been well-reported and covered by independent media outlets, or was she there to inflame a fractured community/society and promote her career and media brand off the back of it?

I agree with you that most of mainstream media has lost it's way, but not sure that means that independent sources are any more reliable - the same agendas remain.

I also agree with you that laws are heading towards blasphemy laws across Europe and this is, indeed, worrying. Je suis Charlie seems to have been long forgotten.


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15/03/2018 at 15:31

You have to cut through the mainstream media BS and realise that the UK state is acting in a very very cowardly manner. Lauren Southern is a right wing journalist but hardly a figure capable of incitement here in the UK she has a Canadian passport which has a message from Liz R about passing freely in it. UK head of counter terrorism tried to suggest that Tommy Robinson is analogous to Anjem Choudry ?!??! A man whose members now fill UK jails for terror related crimes. It seems the new crime on the block is criticising Islam and that that is the thing the state is worrying about more than anything else. It would appear that fear of the reactions of radical Muslims is more important than the civil liberties of our citizens. I used to think that some of the stuff was far fetched and stretch of logic but reading enemy of the state made it clear to me how much the establishment fears any working class led movement - left or right.
Speakers corner on Sunday probably won’t even get any coverage unless something awful happens which I sincerely hope it doesn’t.  

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15/03/2018 at 17:35

They do seem worrying developments. But it doesn't surprise me with May and her cronies in charge. She was a useless home secretary and due to female privilege, I made the wrong assumption that she'd be a steady pair of hands as PM during the Brexit transition.

I'm wondering if the Russian poisoning incident and her handling of it could be the end of her. Her announcement in parliament was an awful, amateur chess move and her ministers piling in have made it worse. She should have done what the wily Corbyn did and stated that we're waiting for more evidence, stalling for time whilst her advisers formulated a better plan of reaction.


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15/03/2018 at 18:07

She and her allies have just announced today they were doing what Corbyn suggested yesterday that should be done. The MSM won't call them Russian Stuges and Putin"s Puppet, of course.  

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15/03/2018 at 18:50

Rushed out a condemnation to appear strong and then appears weaker than ever in the backtrack.

It's like she has zero knowledge of Russia and how they do their international politicking... and have done for over 150 years. No politician should ever directly confront a militarily superior country without the united backing of all other countries.

This combined with Brexit, and everything else, I have no idea how she remains in power - I am guessing it's lack of any viable alternatives within the Conservatives.


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16/03/2018 at 01:24

Anti capitalists, anti bankers, 2 straightforward examples for you Candw

When the masked anti capitalists mob up and smash up businesses, and assault employees and proudly try and justify their reasons for doing so is that not hate speech?

How about everything you have said about bankers on here?

Even if you personally agree with the sentiments expressed it's still hate speech as you would define it in relation to views expressed by your opponents 

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 15/03/2018 at 18:50
Rushed out a condemnation to appear strong and then appears weaker than ever in the backtrack.

It's like she has zero knowledge of Russia and how they do their international politicking... and have done for over 150 years. No politician should ever directly confront a militarily superior country without the united backing of all other countries.

This combined with Brexit, and everything else, I have no idea how she remains in power - I am guessing it's lack of any viable alternatives within the Conservatives.


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Quite simple really.

She's already damaged goods and the Brexit process has loads of risk.

If she gets through Brexit with a good deal - she'll be outed very soon anyway, if she doesn't it'll happen even sooner.

Why would any Tory want the hot seat just now?

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16/03/2018 at 08:36

It seems that this isn't about free speech at all. Its about the right of anyone to enter this country without a valid visa. I'm surprised Tommy Robinson thinks this is a good idea, but they did want to promote his views. 

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16/03/2018 at 12:08

Anti capitalists, anti bankers, 2 straightforward examples for you Candw

Fair enough, but I'm only anti those when they do things that are evil or don't do what is they might have done to make things better. Think of those with 430,000 building permits doing no building. People of the Right hate Muslims, even if they are doing nothing wrong. We get it on here. If a Muslim commits a terror act then the Muslims that didn't turn them in are guilty as well, as if all Muslims know what all other Muslims are doing. Nobody asked us to apologise for Breivik, did they?

 

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16/03/2018 at 12:11

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 16/03/2018 at 08:36
It seems that this isn't about free speech at all. Its about the right of anyone to enter this country without a valid visa. I'm surprised Tommy Robinson thinks this is a good idea, but they did want to promote his views.


Didn't the Great Crusader get done for using a forged passport to gain entry to US, which his previous record denied him to do in his own name?

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Quote Quote by candw on 16/03/2018 at 12:11


Didn't the Great Crusader get done for using a forged passport to gain entry to US, which his previous record denied him to do in his own name?


I've got no idea. I think this is all a great big publicity stunt. They would have got no attention at all if she'd applied for a visa to interview Tommy Robinson. As a result of being refused entry to the UK they could portray themselves as helpless victims of a vicious Tory government whereas in reality they should have checked this advice from their own government.

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united- kingdom

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16/03/2018 at 13:21

People always remember the headlines, like "RW Speaker Banned" and most never read the actual truth of what happened. The papers are good at that. "Corbyn and the Czech Spy" ran for ages under banner headlines, while inside the same papers were admitting it wasn't quite what they were shrieking.

I like the threat! You are much less likely to be killed by a "random shooter" in the US than a terrorist in the UK.

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Quote Quote by candw on 14/03/2018 at 13:33
Teddie, is that it? It's not quite I hate fucking Muslims, is it?


The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Identity politics and intersectionality are racism/sexism/ageism/everyotherism from the far left, and no less pernicious than anyone else's, despite the free passes from the media. Political correctness = censorship, end of.

Shark-infested waters, left-wing hate speech, QED. It's the reviving of the monsters that stopped me and millions of others from voting Labour from 1979 to 2016. Now it's back to foil Corbyn's PM chances, as I feared it would. 

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The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Identity politics and intersectionality are racism/sexism/ageism/everyotherism from the far left, and no less pernicious than anyone else's, despite the free passes from the media. Political correctness = censorship, end of.

Shark-infested waters, left-wing hate speech, QED. It's the reviving of the monsters that stopped me and millions of others from voting Labour from 1979 to 2016. Now it's back to foil Corbyn's PM chances, as I feared it would.


The Marxists I know don't want sharia in Britain and some are fighting against it in their own countries. Sometimes you do write shit.

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 17/03/2018 at 22:02


The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Identity politics and intersectionality are racism/sexism/ageism/everyotherism from the far left, and no less pernicious than anyone else's, despite the free passes from the media. Political correctness = censorship, end of.

Shark-infested waters, left-wing hate speech, QED. It's the reviving of the monsters that stopped me and millions of others from voting Labour from 1979 to 2016. Now it's back to foil Corbyn's PM chances, as I feared it would.


How the absolute fuck have you got bogged down in such esoteric nonsense, ToP? And if this - whatever - stopped you voting Labour from 1979 to 2016, through all it's variations, it seems should should carry on voting Tory/UKIP.

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Quote Quote by candw on 18/03/2018 at 09:30


How the absolute fuck have you got bogged down in such esoteric nonsense, ToP? And if this - whatever - stopped you voting Labour from 1979 to 2016, through all it's variations, it seems should should carry on voting Tory/UKIP.


I've never voted Tory and I've never voted UKip.

So, the SWP. Derek Hatton's Militant Tendency. The hard-left, authoritarians. They do their best to prevent Labour governments by frightening the hell out of voters who are more "of the centre". Including me.

I hope the stuff is "esoteric nonsense", but it's infecting countries like Canada, Australia, Sweden, etc, etc, and affecting/infecting laws that are created in those places and here.

Are you familiar with identity politics (aka The Victimhood Olympics) and intersectionality? They're taking a grip here and in many other countries. Yes, it's all illogical heinous sick garbage, but their adherents are messing with the universities and the media. The age of unreason is on us. 

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The Marxists I know don't want sharia in Britain and some are fighting against it in their own countries. Sometimes you do write shit.


Not all of them. The whatever-it-is-now wave feminists view all shades of Islam as allies. Trudeau gave an ex-Guantanamo prisoner who'd killed a US serviceman ten million dollars compo rather than have the claim go through the courts. Look it up. 

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Centrist policies in this country seem to mean giving tax and other breaks to the rich to encourage them to perform whilst the poor should have more taken away to encourage them to perform better. With Thatcher forcing the centre to move to the right and Blair moving it only a small distance back again, 10 years of Austerity has shifted it further rightward. The centre ground is now just to the right of Ted Heath. 

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Quote Quote by candw on 19/03/2018 at 11:09
Centrist policies in this country seem to mean giving tax and other breaks to the rich to encourage them to perform whilst the poor should have more taken away to encourage them to perform better. With Thatcher forcing the centre to move to the right and Blair moving it only a small distance back again, 10 years of Austerity has shifted it further rightward. The centre ground is now just to the right of Ted Heath.


When was the last time we had a centrist party in power? The LibDems don't count? Blair's lot were to the right of all British Labour governments.

There are three things I want: an end to the neoliberal financial model, the NHS not to get privatised, and the battleground for the civil war within the religion of peace not to be in this country. Actually, there are more than three things, but those will do for a start.

Austerity always shifts atttudes rightwards. The Tories are still bastards. 

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A centrist government is one that just selects policies from the left and from the right. The UK has really only ever had a centrist government with leanings to either side. The left and right claims are all just relative to previous.

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When was the last time we had a centrist party in power? The LibDems don't count? Blair's lot were to the right of all British Labour governments.

There are three things I want: an end to the neoliberal financial model, the NHS not to get privatised, and the battleground for the civil war within the religion of peace not to be in this country. Actually, there are more than three things, but those will do for a start.

Austerity always shifts atttudes rightwards. The Tories are still bastards.


Those three would be on my list too but I would want to agree new definitions of what it means for something to be well run or not. Sustainably run railways for example I think are impossible in this country without MASSIVD subsidy or fares. We have to be honest. The crooked running of the east coast line with ZERO investment and then proclamation that nationalisation is the way forward is worse than some of the Tory claims that everything is better in private hands. I want the best mixed of our economy not for ideological reasons for proper value for money. Theoretically public ownership should on paper be superior as the profit motive would be purely for reinvestment BUT we find that all over the world the theory falls apart when people are spending other people's money. On the flip side the worst capitalists will think nothing of running something into the ground for a quick buck. The common denominator here is cuntish behaviour from those running the show and the polticians faking shit for their own ends whatever side of the spectrum they are on. In our two party state I will only ever be a centrist with Labour vs. Tories as its the only moral position make IMO. If a new party arrived made up of people who knew how to run the show well I would be voting for them but it won't happen. Meanwhile having made the transition from print / TV media to newer forms I have been completely 'red-pilled' on matters of the MSM and can't believe the black outs of pretty significant stuff. I am shocked at the lack of reporting from speakers corner on Sunday and having read Tommy Robinsons, enemy of the state, seen his York / Oxford university speeches and then the shameful attempts to link him to Darren Osbourne and terrorism I cannot believe that the state think what they are doing is anything but a really really bad idea.
Obi the reason your Marxists don't want sharia but many younger Marxists have got into bed with Islam is that the left seems to have lost all ideas of what is centrist and what is far right. The real far right of nazi skin headed white supremacists have been in decline all my adult life. In the USA all they can muster is a few hundred at best, same in various countries in Europe. Meanwhile you have now got young lefties running around in face masks dying to punch a nazi which now seems to be anyone right of Jeremy Corbyn. A mate was de-selected from his labour council post for the crime of being a capitalist cleaning company owner. Nevermind that his work force is made up of ex-offenders, ex homeless etc. When we have deluge campaigns like #metoo and working class kids are being systematically abused yet not mentioned what will happen? When we have 'hate crimes' registered for offensive jokes like the so-called nazi dog on YouTube but allow hate filled sermons up and down the land what will happen? When criticism of a religion is conflated as racism or islamaphobia what will happen if we have a real Pogrom?

Identity politics is always murderous in extremis from the soviets and the nazis we have learned these lessons from history via millions of dead brothers and sisters so why the fuck would any reasonable person not want to warn of what's going on now? It's already taken over the universities, infected Canada, and many parts of the urban landscape of the U.K. Yet is completely un-reported...

And yes white folks abuse kids too, and capitalism has blood on its hands too, etc. Etc hence why the centre ground needs claiming and fast otherwise we are in for dystopian times ahead.  

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Not all of them. The whatever-it-is-now wave feminists view all shades of Islam as allies. Trudeau gave an ex-Guantanamo prisoner who'd killed a US serviceman ten million dollars compo rather than have the claim go through the courts. Look it up.


Name me a Marxist who wants Sharia law in the UK? I doubt you'll find one.

Some feminists in Canada argue Muslim women should be forced to remove the veil and some believe its up to the individual. I find it strange that someone who posts so often on free speech wants to restrict what a woman can and cannot wear.

Omar Khadr was tortured to provide information to the Canadian government. No wonder Trudeau paid ten million dollars to stop the extent of his government's culpability in torture becoming public knowledge.  

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 19/03/2018 at 16:09


Name me a Marxist who wants Sharia law in the UK? I doubt you'll find one.


Yeah, I'll get back to you. I take it you're familiar with identity politics and intersectionality. Trudeau will have sharia in Canada if they are stupid enough to re-elect him.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 19/03/2018 at 16:09
Some feminists in Canada argue Muslim women should be forced to remove the veil and some believe its up to the individual. I find it strange that someone who posts so often on free speech wants to restrict what a woman can and cannot wear.


Me? I never mentioned anything about what Muslim women wear. I know there are Iranian women risking arrest by not wearing the dalek hoods while feminists in the rest of the world are wearing the bloody things "in solidarity" with Muslim women. I heard - and it may be wrong - that there is no religious requirement for women to wear the thing. There's a woman at the other side of the pond called Linda Sarsur (sp?) who seems to be luring the madder feminists into supporting more restrictive Islam and she often addresses these women's marches they suddenly keep having over there because Trump.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 19/03/2018 at 16:09

Omar Khadr was tortured to provide information to the Canadian government. No wonder Trudeau paid ten million dollars to stop the extent of his government's culpability in torture becoming public knowledge.


Yeah, no wonder. 

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TOM when did Trudeau announce his opposition to legalising cannabis? I thought he'd changed the law to allow it to be legally sold in Canada.

Trudeau is a bourgeois politician and will not introduce sharia law. Another fairy tale of the far right.

If you don't care what Muslim women wear then you, like Trudeau, must have opposed Bernard Drainville's proposed Quebec Charter of Values.

I have no idea what intersectionality is or what identity politics are. I was taught to treat other people as you would like to be treated yourself if that helps.

Linda Sarsur is a Muslim who defends her right to practice Islam her way. Isn't that what religious freedom means? What has she said that upsets you so much?

We agree that Canada is hypocritical when it comes to benefiting from torture, although culpability clearly belonged to previous governments. 

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 19/03/2018 at 14:34


and the battleground for the civil war within the religion of peace not to be in this country. Actually, there are more than three things, but those will do for a start.



Despite liberal attempts to label them far right EDL2 we may have finally got a populist non-racist street protest movement against Islamic extremism. The Football Lads Alliance. Keep an eye on Birmingham on Saturday. Anti-fascist left wing fascists planning obligatory counter demos. 

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Football lads alliance. LOL!

Half of them are bald and fiftyish.

Do they really know who the extremists are, or are they open minded enough to include women with headscarves and brown blokes with beards? Some can't tell Sikh from a Muslim and don't really care. 

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The post-modernists/Marxists/New Communists/4th wave feminists, all of whom embrace identity politics and interesectionality, are all backing Muslim silliness and sharia-for-Britain.

Would you like to hazard a guess as to the total number of people that grouping includes, ToP?

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
Trudeau is a bourgeois politician and will not introduce sharia law. Another fairy tale of the far right.


I hope you're right.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
If you don't care what Muslim women wear then you, like Trudeau, must have opposed Bernard Drainville's proposed Quebec Charter of Values.


It's not up to me what they wear. I haven't read this charter of values.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
I have no idea what intersectionality is or what identity politics are. I was taught to treat other people as you would like to be treated yourself if that helps.


I agree, but the two things I mention are creeping into law in some countries and they are seriously bad.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
Linda Sarsur is a Muslim who defends her right to practice Islam her way. Isn't that what religious freedom means? What has she said that upsets you so much?


It isn't what she's said as the fact that practitioners of the two elements above are embracing her as some sort of icon on a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" basis.

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 20/03/2018 at 10:10
We agree that Canada is hypocritical when it comes to benefiting from torture, although culpability clearly belonged to previous governments.


Quite possibly.


I'm aware that there are almost always dodgy things going on and those dodgy things may or may not have any kind of long term effect for good or bad. I've mentioned some dodgy things, as has Exiled, and they may turn out to be transitory. If you think it's nothing to worry about, fine. I've mentioned stuff that concerns me. Again, it may be transitory and I hope it is. For those of the opinion that stuff they don't already know about is stuff that will have no effect on their lives, don't bother checking it out. It's stuff that affects what appears to be your spheres of expertise, not mine. If and when it does seep into your lives, to whatever extent, you've at least had a hint of it.  

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An online personality, who trained his pug to heil hitler as a joke, has been found guilty of a hate crime.

Pretty much every man who was a schoolboy pre-1995 and John Cleese must be expecting a visit from the filth around now.


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