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12/03/2018 at 14:10

So, here's a thing.

Two people fly to a country to interview someone who was born there and is a citizen there. The two people are arrested, held for a few days, and then deported and banned from returning.

What sort of reaction would we expect? 

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12/03/2018 at 16:29

It would depend on the background of the two interviewers and the reason for their future banning.

If one had a history of running training camps for white nationalist cults preparing for a race war and was using the guise of the interview to spread disharmony, then a ban isn't perhaps a bad thing. It's more of a shame that similar bans aren't used more rigorously towards other criminals and hate preachers - this is what I'd focus on.


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12/03/2018 at 17:38

I'd focus on that too, but hate preachers are given free passes by the authoritarians, the collectivists, the identity politics fraudsters, the intersectionalists, and the other loonies.

In the past we used to let loonies speak so we could laugh at them or argue with them. Hate speech isn't a thing. You can't control thoughts, but the loony end are criminalising wrongthing. If you clamp down in this way, you drive things underground where it can't be policed and kept an eye on.

Diversity is, for the most unsound reasons, pursued with fanatical vigour, except diversity of thought, which is now a crime.

Fuckwittery abounds and freedom of speech is history. Facts and truth are the next victims. 

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12/03/2018 at 18:09

So should radical Islamists and those calling for holy war against the west be allowed to come to the UK and speak to mosques, as free speech would surely be granted to allow this?


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12/03/2018 at 18:12

'Diversity is, for the most unsound reasons, pursued with fanatical vigour, except diversity of thought, which is now a crime'

I'm having that, TOP... 

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12/03/2018 at 18:18

Quote Quote by essexgull on 12/03/2018 at 18:09
So should radical Islamists and those calling for holy war against the west be allowed to come to the UK and speak to mosques, as free speech would surely be granted to allow this?


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Ha ha! Surely it would, but once immigrants have proved themselves to be loonies they should be repatriated to somewhere suitable, such as Antarctica or Jupiter. 

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12/03/2018 at 18:23

I don't entirely disagree. The UK seems to have divided into two, in my absence.


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12/03/2018 at 18:50

Quote Quote by essexgull on 12/03/2018 at 18:23
I don't entirely disagree. The UK seems to have divided into two, in my absence.


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Online vigilanteism is a growing concern. 

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12/03/2018 at 19:16

So, ToP dude, what the fuck has happened to you lately? Do you live in Canada?

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12/03/2018 at 19:17

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 12/03/2018 at 18:18


Ha ha! Surely it would, but once immigrants have proved themselves to be loonies they should be repatriated to somewhere suitable, such as Antarctica or Jupiter.


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12/03/2018 at 19:32

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 12/03/2018 at 18:50


Online vigilanteism is a growing concern.


Indeed, but I'd also hazard a guess that pre existing divisions are being exploited and increased by external forces to weaken collective power.


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12/03/2018 at 21:53

Quote Quote by candw on 12/03/2018 at 19:17


Are you the judge? Am I? Do we flip a coin?


The judiciary should be the judges. Immigrants should at least make a stab at assimilating and should certainly aim to settle in peacefully. Unfortunately we live in a society full of self-flagellating morons who want to bend over backwards to subjugate all of us to ridiculous foreign religions.

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12/03/2018 at 22:00

Quote Quote by candw on 12/03/2018 at 19:16
So, ToP dude, what the fuck has happened to you lately? Do you live in Canada?


Watching the growing lunacy on YouTube. Sweden, Canada, Australia... Germany soon going the same way. Italy and Holland trying to hang on. Flooded with economic migrants masquerading as something else. Some countries - Poland and the Slav countries - have been invaded in living memory and are resisting Merkel's idiocy. It wouldn't be so bad if the worst of these countries weren't committing suicide and weren't being so dishonest about it.

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13/03/2018 at 18:18

So. I know Robinson is far right, but this is ridiculous. Islamic hate speech is fine, along with their bombs, left wing hate speech is fine, right wing is banned, Now we don't even get to ridicule the ridiculous. In fact, the regime is now ridiculous. Having blasphemy laws is disgusting.



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13/03/2018 at 20:04

Islamic hate speech is often banned, sites/accounts closed. I'm unsure about Left hate speech as I have not come across it: unless, of course, it is railing against the tax cuts to the well off as the poor get poorer. As for Der Stürmer speak...

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14/03/2018 at 07:56

It’s a paradox that left wing hate speech is not seen as a thing. When I see a hammer and sickle I think of the millions who died under its yoke, I just see the equivalent of a swastika. One seems to be acceptable to own and wear the other not. Also the term far right has become ridiculously over played and ultimately devalued now. According to the government department reposnible for tracking them, the EDL was deemed to be centrist, the football lads alliance is centrist, as they reflect mainstream centrist views yet they are portrayed by the media and hysterical commentators as ‘far-right’. Lauren Southern being held under the terrorism act and denied entry into the UK is simply unfathomable to me and the only conclusion I can reach is that we are now
Enforcing blasphemy laws on behalf of the Islamic religion.

Very very worrying precedents.

I support free speech - I want to hear ideas even ones I disagree with - if I can’t hear what someone has to say I can’t make my mind up.

Let’s see what happens at speakers corner on Sunday  

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14/03/2018 at 10:24

A couple of points.

Give an example of Left wing hate speech.

The difference between hammer and sickle and swastika is that one set off in hope, the other was based on conquest and racial discrimination from the outset. One could be resurrected, the other must never be allowed to.



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14/03/2018 at 12:37

Quote Quote by candw on 14/03/2018 at 10:24


Give an example of Left wing hate speech.




Lefties often expressed their hatred of Thatcher. 

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14/03/2018 at 13:33

Teddie, is that it? It's not quite I hate fucking Muslims, is it?  

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14/03/2018 at 16:42

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2018 at 07:56
It’s a paradox that left wing hate speech is not seen as a thing. When I see a hammer and sickle I think of the millions who died under its yoke, I just see the equivalent of a swastika. One seems to be acceptable to own and wear the other not. Also the term far right has become ridiculously over played and ultimately devalued now. According to the government department reposnible for tracking them, the EDL was deemed to be centrist, the football lads alliance is centrist, as they reflect mainstream centrist views yet they are portrayed by the media and hysterical commentators as ‘far-right’. Lauren Southern being held under the terrorism act and denied entry into the UK is simply unfathomable to me and the only conclusion I can reach is that we are now
Enforcing blasphemy laws on behalf of the Islamic religion.

Very very worrying precedents.

I support free speech - I want to hear ideas even ones I disagree with - if I can’t hear what someone has to say I can’t make my mind up.

Let’s see what happens at speakers corner on Sunday


Was Lauren Southern in Luton to genuinely investigate and report something, that if we are honest, has been well-reported and covered by independent media outlets, or was she there to inflame a fractured community/society and promote her career and media brand off the back of it?

I agree with you that most of mainstream media has lost it's way, but not sure that means that independent sources are any more reliable - the same agendas remain.

I also agree with you that laws are heading towards blasphemy laws across Europe and this is, indeed, worrying. Je suis Charlie seems to have been long forgotten.


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15/03/2018 at 15:31

You have to cut through the mainstream media BS and realise that the UK state is acting in a very very cowardly manner. Lauren Southern is a right wing journalist but hardly a figure capable of incitement here in the UK she has a Canadian passport which has a message from Liz R about passing freely in it. UK head of counter terrorism tried to suggest that Tommy Robinson is analogous to Anjem Choudry ?!??! A man whose members now fill UK jails for terror related crimes. It seems the new crime on the block is criticising Islam and that that is the thing the state is worrying about more than anything else. It would appear that fear of the reactions of radical Muslims is more important than the civil liberties of our citizens. I used to think that some of the stuff was far fetched and stretch of logic but reading enemy of the state made it clear to me how much the establishment fears any working class led movement - left or right.
Speakers corner on Sunday probably won’t even get any coverage unless something awful happens which I sincerely hope it doesn’t.  

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15/03/2018 at 17:35

They do seem worrying developments. But it doesn't surprise me with May and her cronies in charge. She was a useless home secretary and due to female privilege, I made the wrong assumption that she'd be a steady pair of hands as PM during the Brexit transition.

I'm wondering if the Russian poisoning incident and her handling of it could be the end of her. Her announcement in parliament was an awful, amateur chess move and her ministers piling in have made it worse. She should have done what the wily Corbyn did and stated that we're waiting for more evidence, stalling for time whilst her advisers formulated a better plan of reaction.


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15/03/2018 at 18:07

She and her allies have just announced today they were doing what Corbyn suggested yesterday that should be done. The MSM won't call them Russian Stuges and Putin"s Puppet, of course.  

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15/03/2018 at 18:50

Rushed out a condemnation to appear strong and then appears weaker than ever in the backtrack.

It's like she has zero knowledge of Russia and how they do their international politicking... and have done for over 150 years. No politician should ever directly confront a militarily superior country without the united backing of all other countries.

This combined with Brexit, and everything else, I have no idea how she remains in power - I am guessing it's lack of any viable alternatives within the Conservatives.


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16/03/2018 at 01:24

Anti capitalists, anti bankers, 2 straightforward examples for you Candw

When the masked anti capitalists mob up and smash up businesses, and assault employees and proudly try and justify their reasons for doing so is that not hate speech?

How about everything you have said about bankers on here?

Even if you personally agree with the sentiments expressed it's still hate speech as you would define it in relation to views expressed by your opponents 

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16/03/2018 at 01:33

Quote Quote by essexgull on 15/03/2018 at 18:50
Rushed out a condemnation to appear strong and then appears weaker than ever in the backtrack.

It's like she has zero knowledge of Russia and how they do their international politicking... and have done for over 150 years. No politician should ever directly confront a militarily superior country without the united backing of all other countries.

This combined with Brexit, and everything else, I have no idea how she remains in power - I am guessing it's lack of any viable alternatives within the Conservatives.


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Quite simple really.

She's already damaged goods and the Brexit process has loads of risk.

If she gets through Brexit with a good deal - she'll be outed very soon anyway, if she doesn't it'll happen even sooner.

Why would any Tory want the hot seat just now?

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16/03/2018 at 08:36

It seems that this isn't about free speech at all. Its about the right of anyone to enter this country without a valid visa. I'm surprised Tommy Robinson thinks this is a good idea, but they did want to promote his views. 

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16/03/2018 at 12:08

Anti capitalists, anti bankers, 2 straightforward examples for you Candw

Fair enough, but I'm only anti those when they do things that are evil or don't do what is they might have done to make things better. Think of those with 430,000 building permits doing no building. People of the Right hate Muslims, even if they are doing nothing wrong. We get it on here. If a Muslim commits a terror act then the Muslims that didn't turn them in are guilty as well, as if all Muslims know what all other Muslims are doing. Nobody asked us to apologise for Breivik, did they?

 

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