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candw

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26/01/2018 at 14:13

Thanks for the reply, gobshite. So you.dont agree with what I wrote? We're doing it wrong but not in a way I could understand, only you. More neo liberalism, is it? I almost daren't say I don't agree with your summary, however vague and lacking in substance it may be. But I don't. 

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26/01/2018 at 18:59

Quote Quote by candw on 26/01/2018 at 11:18
So, Tory Brexit didn't happen. It was all Corbyn's fault. There's nothing wrong with the UK that a bit more austerity for the poor and a bit more help for the rich won't cure? (The rich might fight hard to dodge tax, but will give generously if they can grope a girl's arse?) Carry on Matron - only with profits involved and a few more trolleys? AND THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!


I didn't write any of that.

Yes, the Tories are doing things badly. No, Corbyn does not seem to be offering a better solution - merely turning the 'blame' onto those with money, as opposed to those without.

There could be a viable third way.


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candw

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26/01/2018 at 19:48

There could be a viable third way.

Centrism? Blair did a bit of that. Neo liberalism with a rictus smile

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27/01/2018 at 13:53

Productivity driven growth.

The ONLY ethical way for capitalism to work for all.

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candw

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27/01/2018 at 15:41

We're still waiting. Are there any unethical ways? 

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27/01/2018 at 18:19

Quote Quote by candw on 26/01/2018 at 19:48
There could be a viable third way.

Centrism? Blair did a bit of that. Neo liberalism with a rictus smile


At this moment in time, I'd take Blair back over May or Corbyn. However, I would prefer a different approach altogether.

My issue with Corbyn is that he's more interested in cementing his leadership of the party and getting rid of and/or marginalising party members who don't agree with him, than offering an opposition to the current government. I think he's also surrounding himself with the same type of idiots that May does.


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27/01/2018 at 19:54

You mean May's seeming lack of control is a good way to run a party? Anyway, will he inherit a poisoned chalice after Brexit? We weren't very good at trading with a captive market; especially if 'money shuffling' becomes more difficult. We might get lost in a big bad world.

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27/01/2018 at 20:14

It's a no win discussion if I criticise Corbyn and you draw parallels to me supporting May because of it. I think May is doing a terrible job, far worse than I expected and has done very little right, apparently antagonising every foreign nation to no gain.

I have no idea why the three highest ranking members of the government - her, Hammond and Johnson, all prominent remainers six weeks before the referendum, are leading negotiations for Brexit.. It seems ridiculous to have this situation and they're all doing a disastrous job of it, with the UK accepting freedom of movement, EU financial legislation and many other regulations for the foreseeable future whilst agreeing to pay £40 billion for it. It's a ruddy 'shit show' as we used to say in the services.

I don't think Corbyn and his followers would do any better.


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27/01/2018 at 22:03

Quote Quote by candw on 27/01/2018 at 15:41
We're still waiting. Are there any unethical ways?


Yes debt fuelled ‘spend to pretend’ like has been done by parties of both stripes for the last few decades...

Same as Corbz and Co want to do along with what May and her circus are doing.

Only difference is who gets to be the winners and losers in each scenario.

Fundamental structural issues need leadership of a type we no longer have.  

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candw

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28/01/2018 at 10:13

This 'structural issues' thing gets me.

There's a country out there to run and some people don't' think they need to share in running it; big business and big beasts who feel tax is not for them. Productivity gains can come from robots or, it seems, not treating people like robots. Shit, low paying, low safety jobs obviously don't strike a chord with the workforce, so the Tories are gearing up for a worsening of that situation after Brexit and will expect a drone to up his game for patriotic reasons. Or something.

Corbyn will at least stop the cycle of: You keep the profit, have a tax break and we'll make the drones pick up any bills and You need to be paid a bit less to give you an incentive. 

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candw

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28/01/2018 at 14:41

I wasn't accusing you of agreeing with May, gull, I was just pointing out that's her way to do it. Or, really, not being in a position strong enough to do it. Anyway...

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29/01/2018 at 22:24

Quote Quote by candw on 28/01/2018 at 10:13
This 'structural issues' thing gets me.

There's a country out there to run and some people don't' think they need to share in running it; big business and big beasts who feel tax is not for them. Productivity gains can come from robots or, it seems, not treating people like robots. Shit, low paying, low safety jobs obviously don't strike a chord with the workforce, so the Tories are gearing up for a worsening of that situation after Brexit and will expect a drone to up his game for patriotic reasons. Or something.

Corbyn will at least stop the cycle of: You keep the profit, have a tax break and we'll make the drones pick up any bills and You need to be paid a bit less to give you an incentive.


You are so uninformed...

Productivity comes from augmentation not automation
The safest workplaces are also the most productive
The tax avoiders are a criminal minority or big business seduced by sweeteners from politicians.
There is NO country to run without collecting taxes...
There are services galore that were created when we were rich and sustained when were weren’t by debt.

The structural issue is we have NEVER cut our cloth accordingly since the war.  

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31/01/2018 at 16:54

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 29/01/2018 at 22:24


You are so uninformed...

Productivity comes from augmentation not automation
The safest workplaces are also the most productive
The tax avoiders are a criminal minority or big business seduced by sweeteners from politicians.
There is NO country to run without collecting taxes...
There are services galore that were created when we were rich and sustained when were weren’t by debt.

The structural issue is we have NEVER cut our cloth accordingly since the war.


Big business gave some crumbs off their table to pacify the working class to stop them following the Russian road. They then noticed if the government borrowed money to fund the crumbs they could avoid tax. When Russia collapsed they didn't need to pacify the working class so didn't.

For big business there are no structural issues. They converted their factories, offices and ships into shares a long time ago. Its a lot easier to get rid of shares in BHS or Carillion when the going gets tough then it is to shut a car factory in the Midlands. Its why we'll pay for a Brexit that protects the City of London. If the Tories fail to get a good deal the rich will just move their money to Frankfurt or Paris or Amsterdam.

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candw

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01/02/2018 at 11:17

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 29/01/2018 at 22:24


You are so uniformed...

Productivity comes from augmentation not automation

So robots don't help in any circumstances? People don't produce more if treated like a 'plus' instead of just a 'negative' on the spending side?

The safest workplaces are also the most productive

You are the man always claiming 'red tape' is a negative. I'm glad you feel worker safety is important, For people's health, not just productivity.

The tax avoiders are a criminal minority or big business seduced by sweeteners from politicians.

A reasonably large minority. Pleased to see it is only worth about £34 billion to the exchequer.

There is NO country to run without collecting taxes...

And a smaller country to run if tax is not all paid up. If you see what I mean?

There are services galore that were created when we were rich and sustained when were weren’t by debt.

The structural issue is we have NEVER cut our cloth accordingly since the war.

Well that's a whole big subject on its own. Which to cut if times are harder. And that, of course, is what politics is about.
 

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