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candw

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17/12/2017 at 14:36

...the Working Time Directive. Who'd have fucking guessed that? Overtime - no time+half - at the directive of the employer. Holidays - with pay? - if the employer can spare you. Tax cuts for the rich, state help for companies, all paid for by the poor. Sounds fair.

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essexgull

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17/12/2017 at 15:58

Why aren't the unions doing anything about it? And why aren't more Brits unionising? Well worth the 1.5% of salary a month.


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17/12/2017 at 17:13

You underestimate, perhaps, the repeated MSN hammer attacks about "union barons". We have a pretty dumbed down population  

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17/12/2017 at 18:25

You pair of panic arses, it hasn't worked as designed since it's introduction, not least due to employees chasing excessive overtime. 

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17/12/2017 at 18:51

Why would you not want a unionised workforce? The employees working together with the owners, as one, to make the company better.


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17/12/2017 at 19:24

Really wanting go work 70 hours can't be anything to do with being unable to live on 37.5 hours? And clamouring to work isn't actually the same as having to eork if directed. 

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candw

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17/12/2017 at 19:25

...work...of course. 

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17/12/2017 at 19:31

Quote Quote by essexgull on 17/12/2017 at 18:51
Why would you not want a unionised workforce? The employees working together with the owners, as one, to make the company better.


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Exactly what unions often strive to prevent. No need for unions in well run companies. 

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essexgull

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17/12/2017 at 20:01

Do they? Not the ones I know. They work in tandem with companies to let them know their legal obligation to the workforce. If a company is well run, then it should have no need to break legislation.


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exiled CITY AFC

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18/12/2017 at 11:00

Quote Quote by essexgull on 17/12/2017 at 20:01
Do they? Not the ones I know. They work in tandem with companies to let them know their legal obligation to the workforce. If a company is well run, then it should have no need to break legislation.
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You clearly don't get out much.

In my experience all around the world it's the minority that work well with management.

Too many are the anti-work / anti-productivity brigade.

I am a former union activist but in unions I found that just like in management - leadership is in short supply.

As imp said - absolutely no need for a union in well run company.

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candw

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18/12/2017 at 11:11

So they'll be prepared to give a bit more to the workforce at the expense of the shareholders, even if this well run company hasn't managed to improve productivity? Are there many well run companies about? 

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essexgull

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18/12/2017 at 16:34

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 18/12/2017 at 11:00


You clearly don't get out much.

In my experience all around the world it's the minority that work well with management.

Too many are the anti-work / anti-productivity brigade.

I am a former union activist but in unions I found that just like in management - leadership is in short supply.

As imp said - absolutely no need for a union in well run company.


They helpfully remind management of their legal obligations to their workforce - that's working in tandem to make it a better company.

All that will happen with this new directive, if fully passed, will be that normal time wages will remain stagnant and staff encouraged to do more overtime, to reduce the need to employ enough staff and the resulting costs of this. Another foul scam. No-one should 'need' to work overtime to make a standard living, but this is the way it will head.

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18/12/2017 at 17:57

Quote Quote by candw on 18/12/2017 at 11:11
So they'll be prepared to give a bit more to the workforce at the expense of the shareholders, even if this well run company hasn't managed to improve productivity? Are there many well run companies about?


In many well run companies employees at all levels are shareholders, you need to get back in your time machine and fast forward to 2017 quickly, or people will think you are a bit daft 

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18/12/2017 at 19:16

If it were all companies you could crow about it. Until then unions need to keep watchful. They have time machines and keep popping back to remind themselves what it would be like without unions. 

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