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essexgull

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04/12/2017 at 17:24

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 04/12/2017 at 08:31



Paying money into so a United States of Europe has made us poorer, politically neutered, millions of youth unemployed across the Union whilst illegal immigrants pour in and economic migration happened on a scale no one could manage. In short the power, money and jobs went in one direction and illegals, wage deflators, and corruption came the other.

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The UK managed to enter an illegal and unnecessary war, tying up British troops and taxpayer money for nearly 15 years, despite the EU telling the UK to not get involved, so that's hardly politically neutered.

Poland is a member of the EU and seems to have avoided illegal immigration and economic migration... could the UK not have done the same?


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04/12/2017 at 18:10

In answer to your first question: of course they are do you think junckers speaks for them?? PMSL at that one those conversations have been going on behind closed doors and are waiting for the politicians to catch up.

In answer to the second question you know that Poland has been under constant and intense pressure to come into line with Merkels disastrous decision to open the doors. Yet it also escapes your attention that the migrants are flowing from the poor countries to the rich countries.

Sometimes I think your insights are good to consider but in this matter you come out with some batshit Scandinavian parallel universe stuff.

It’s like the New Stockholm Syndrome for the 21st century.  

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04/12/2017 at 19:20

Yet it also escapes your attention that the migrants are flowing from the poor countries to the rich countries.

No fucking shit? That really must be the first time in the history of the world - or universe even - that that has happened. That sounds as sensible as UK leaving EU and expecting the same deal. (Without the fucking wogs, of course!)

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04/12/2017 at 20:19

Do keep up candyfloss.

Gull was trying to argue that normal economic gravity had somehow been suspended in Poland because, by sheer chance, they haven’t had much in the way of migration related enrichment.

He was trying to infer that they have been able to do so because the EU is essentially a benign force for good when it comes to migration rather than them actually doing their thing despite the EU which is how anyone with a scrap of knowledge on the subject interprets it.

If ‘expecting the same deal’ means leaking money to the EU with less in return for what we put in then then yes we would be pretty stupid to expect that as a deal but if you really follow the story so far it’s the EU that want us to leave and still pay the same. It’s like a soon to be ex-partner refusing to change holiday plans as the now ex walks out of the door.

What next?

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essexgull

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05/12/2017 at 10:31

No, I was stating that the UK could have had a coherent migration policy that differs from the EU, as Poland and others have done.

UK Illegal migration is a result of the border service being woefully underfunded for the job in hand. Nothing to do with the EU.

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05/12/2017 at 11:04

...OKAY

That is the most bizarre reading of what has happened and completely counter to the wealth of information on the subject.

Brexit has made an otherwise thinking and reasoning individual into a shallow shell.

UK illegal migration is our fault and nothing to do with the EU...are you really expecting that to be taken as a serious point.

That’s a new level of WOW for me that one.

How is Poland fairing inside the EU and the press for their coherent strategy?  

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essexgull

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05/12/2017 at 16:25

Brexit means hate. Simple as.


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05/12/2017 at 17:45

Yeah I hate youth unemployment which was what the United States of Europe was achieving.

You must love that kind of thing... 

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essexgull

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05/12/2017 at 17:58

The UK has low youth unemployment relatively and is in the EU.

The whole of Africa has much higher youth unemployment than any European country and is not in the EU..


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05/12/2017 at 18:44

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 05/12/2017 at 17:45
Yeah I hate youth unemployment which was what the United States of Europe was achieving.

You must love that kind of thing...


Do you blame everything on the EU? Do you not want to pick out things like cutting EMA, raising tukition fees and the interest paid on the loans, or giving bits of the NHS to Branston, or cutting the money coming to the poorest families etc etc etc? That has been done by the SOVEREIGN government of the UK, with no EU help at all. Although we won't have a sovereign parliament until Independence Day. And then you'll really see it in action and will love it. Who the fuck will you blame then?

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06/12/2017 at 09:50

At least I will be able to vote the fuckers out....

Why do you hate democracy so much? 

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06/12/2017 at 14:33

SmugPathetic reply. Shit happens and I can vote it out - 5 years later! And then - 5 years after that. From the cunt who moans about GANGS all the while it's 'bring on the ballot'Um. Name me a Brexit positive. (And if you say control of our borders, you lose!) 

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06/12/2017 at 16:01

SmugPathetic reply. Shit happens and I can vote it out - 5 years later! And then - 5 years after that. From the cunt who moans about GANGS all the while it's 'bring on the ballot'Um. Name me a Brexit positive. (And if you say control of our borders, you lose!) 

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06/12/2017 at 18:54

Net migration is significantly down, wages are up and we have record employment - all since Brexit vote - quelle surprise eh?  

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06/12/2017 at 19:55

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 06/12/2017 at 18:54
Net migration is significantly down, wages are up and we have record employment - all since Brexit vote - quelle surprise eh?


No surprise the annual rate of migration is down, why would anyone come here if there is almost full employment?

Net migration is still rising it's only the rate that is slowing down.

The vote is only stage one. The real test for the economy comes when we actually leave. At the minute we have the best of both worlds. We don't have to find the money to pay our debts to the EU, we don't have to find the money to pay for a free trade agreement and we haven't seen too many businesses leaving the UK for a country in the EU.  

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