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candw

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24/11/2017 at 14:53

why you're not posting.

If I'd voted for the Conservative(Good with the Economy) party in 2010, after the Global Financial Crisis, and agreed enthusiastically with the Austerity Policy and it's draconian pay freeze on State employees etc etc and then the latest budget promised we'd pay off the deficit in another 20 years - or so - and no pay rises yet, I'd have dug a fucking great hole to hide my embarrassment in, just as you have. If you don't dare show your faces yet - Happy Winterval!

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24/11/2017 at 15:04

Even taking Brexit out of the equation (£40 billion+ and counting), the Conservatives have lost short term, but also will be out of power for a generation in a decades time.

Sold off everything, trebled the national debt, destroyed the British military, ruined public schooling, the NHS and the social sector. Still, lower corporation tax on the horizon.

Everyone who voted for them should be ashamed of what they have done to the UK.

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24/11/2017 at 15:23

Quote Quote by essexgull on 24/11/2017 at 15:04
Even taking Brexit out of the equation (£40 billion+ and counting), the Conservatives have lost short term, but also will be out of power for a generation in a decades time.

Sold off everything, trebled the national debt, destroyed the British military, ruined public schooling, the NHS and the social sector. Still, lower corporation tax on the horizon.

Everyone who voted for them should be ashamed of what they have done to the UK.

ESSEX GULL


What has it to do with an expat? 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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24/11/2017 at 15:50

Quote Quote by candw on 24/11/2017 at 14:53
why you're not posting.

If I'd voted for the Conservative(Good with the Economy) party in 2010, after the Global Financial Crisis, and agreed enthusiastically with the Austerity Policy and it's draconian pay freeze on State employees etc etc and then the latest budget promised we'd pay off the deficit in another 20 years - or so - and no pay rises yet, I'd have dug a fucking great hole to hide my embarrassment in, just as you have. If you don't dare show your faces yet - Happy Winterval!


The Abbottpotamus was blaming it on the relaxation of financial regulations. Forgetting(her blood sugar levels must have been high) it was Labour who did so and Brown had said that he could see no reasons for any regulation. Reminded of that she blamed the Conservatives as they hadn't voted against it and then quoted something Peter Mulley had said 20 years ago. What with her and Corbyn, who told us Venezuela was an inspiration and what we could become like, it is doubtful we will have to worry about a Labour Government in the near future.
Of course in the world of candy, financial disasters are world events out of the control of a British Government when Labour are in power but all the fault of the Government and nothing to do with world events when the Tories are in power.

I hope Ded Moroz delivers you loads of presents.

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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24/11/2017 at 15:56

Why no focus from you on Tory gaffes - Johnson's "clearing of the dead bodies first", Hammond's "there are no unemployed in the UK" or any of Davis' embarrassing claims?

Oh, that's right, they're not black or female. But hey, you like black singers and once were served a pint by a black man, so you can't be prejudiced.

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24/11/2017 at 19:11

Worthless postings when 'none-of-the-above' is the intelligent choice.

Through red and blue for decades the UK has spent more than it has earned.

In the meantime it has let go of every industry from iron to the internet

Crop rotation to Computing.

Lions led by fucking donkeys decade after decade.

Listening to John McDonald suggesting the Viv Nicholson approach for the next tedious cycle tells me no one has learned ANYTHING.

You two bray at the conservatives but let us know how the labour thing is likely to go...

Spend-to-Pretend

Rob Paul to pay Peter or Vice Versa? You decide in the two donkey race.

Same tent different clowns

Take some time to explain why you think I am wrong. If not choose your loser  

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24/11/2017 at 19:14

We can all surmise what the other party may or may not have done, but we can only hold accountable the party which has done.

The last seven years has been disastrous for the UK - poorer, hugely more divided and significantly worse off than before. Is it not better to focus on this and who and what is to blame, rather than get angry and play whataboutery about what a other party may have done wrong, were they in charge?


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24/11/2017 at 19:59

Spend-to-Pretend

What a trite load of shit. If the State has to take the initiative it will have to borrow. In a grossly capitalist country, why should the State be talking about building houses (OK, not actually building, but raising the already ridiculous prices with an ill-conceived ploy!), investing in training, investing in modernising industry etc. Because capitalist, especially in this country, are interested in short-term dividends or go somewhere else. You don't seem to have a fucking clue what to suggest, just to knock Labour for having a plan.

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candw

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24/11/2017 at 20:06

Worthless postings when 'none-of-the-above' is the intelligent choice.

Intelligent it may be - or even pathetic rubbish - but it isn't an option.

Through red and blue for decades the UK has spent more than it has earned.

That isn't actually true.

In the meantime it has let go of every industry from iron to the internet

Are you suggesting that it isn't capitalists selling to foreigners when they were offered a bob or two extra that did that? Like our oil; Norway, a sovereign wealth fund. UK, a bit of a safe speculation, followed by flogging their holdings to foreigners.

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24/11/2017 at 20:12

Quote Quote by Hulltim8 City AFC on 24/11/2017 at 15:50


The Abbottpotamus...



You're just a bigot, with nothing worth saying. I can criticise the Iraq war - which you loved - further deregulation of banks (after Thatcher's Big Bang) and PFI excesses. You say, "Labour...". Still, you have a career on the trawlers to look forward to.

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25/11/2017 at 06:39

Quote Quote by candw on 24/11/2017 at 19:59
Spend-to-Pretend

What a trite load of shit. If the State has to take the initiative it will have to borrow. In a grossly capitalist country, why should the State be talking about building houses (OK, not actually building, but raising the already ridiculous prices with an ill-conceived ploy!), investing in training, investing in modernising industry etc. Because capitalist, especially in this country, are interested in short-term dividends or go somewhere else. You don't seem to have a fucking clue what to suggest, just to knock Labour for having a plan.


Maybe us capitalists know better than the polticians that blow in every changing winds. We are all forgoing dividends and building balances after the bankers screwed the pooch. McDonald just wants to cozy up to the banks again after his 'fund manager' mates told him they like borrowing...

If you can't understand why many capitalists don't want to go on a spending spree until the books balance again living beyond our means is not a long term option then I hope you can look your kids in eye and tell em "fuck you" politely.

They will be paying for your largesse for all their lives.  

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25/11/2017 at 07:31

So you blokes are sitting on your money, refusing to invest, because of government debt? That only leaves the State - or the Chinese state? Now I know what patriotism means. To a capitalist!

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25/11/2017 at 11:29

What country has been able to rip down the economy and rebuild it from scratch, feasibly?

Japan and Germany were destroyed by war, so had to. Or the ones run under a dictatorship, where there was no choice - Singapore, USSR etc.

How would the UK survive in the meantime, whilst it was being totally restructured... Other than via state investment taking on debts until it was up and running - exactly as Corbyn and McDonnell propose.

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25/11/2017 at 16:33

With that grasp of history no wonder your economics knowledge is no better  

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25/11/2017 at 17:05

I merely asked how you could rebuild an economy and manufacturing base without input of large state financing to tide population of 65 million over whilst it was happening.


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