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exiled CITY AFC

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#76
12/11/2017 at 15:19

Stealing from one to give to another is never right morally even if you vote for it.

It happening routinely for decades without having voted for it is more than immoral its mass fraud. Now I understand why the Germans have signed up to this inter-generational guilt shedding and hence why Merkel and many before her have chosen the reparations path but why us brits should not do the same was not lost on voters of the UK.

I don't agree with the 'you get more so should pay more' principle beyond a common percentage calculation.

What fair is you pay 25% I pay 25% thus we all pay the same according to our means.

For the last 15years I have paid way way more proportionally of my income - all gained from many fair and free economic exchanges- thank I think is 'fair' but I stay here and do it because I am a democrat not because I agree with it.

I don't dodge taxes because I am also a law abiding citizen but I will seek to pay the correct tax - and nothing more - because of the above and te colossal wastes of tax that one sees and knows are only possible when people are spending someone else's money.  

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#77
12/11/2017 at 15:33

Stealing from one...

End of statement as being worth continuing to read.

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#78
12/11/2017 at 19:07

Which is your stupid stance on life as if voluntary economic exchanges are in some way coerced.

You base your entire political outlook on feudal societies and economics that is only a few centuries out of date...

Well done - as if poor people are poor and the super rich are rich because Bill Gates forced them to buy software and Steve Jobs compelled them to have an iPhone.

Having made a journey of some economic progress I know it is done without any coercion or by damaging anyone.

You are mistaken  

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#79
12/11/2017 at 20:08

When there is a period of rising wealth and decreasing incomes, it is necessary for society to increase tax on wealth, not incomes. This is the only way to reduce the increasing inequality we're seeing.

Therefore all the trust funds, offshore taxation, company ownership tax dodges, and all the other financial 'mechanisms' that are clearly well known as the majority of the Tory party seem complicit with them, need to be targeted for immediate taxation and have them treated the same as what a normal person's income is.

It's absurd that a 25 year old can inherit an £8 billion trust and not pay inheritance tax on it. It's absurd that profit made From property sales in the UK can be moved to Mauritius before tax has been paid on it.

This is the only way that we will get a fairer, more equal society. It has to stop.


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12/11/2017 at 20:16

Tax is not theft, comrade. Your "piece" started off with that, so was obviously going to be shite.

One of the worst aspects of this Paradise thing is not that the very rich slide out of paying as much tax as possible, but that they have so much fucking money in the first place. I've got to do Betty Windsor's gaff up for her while she invests offshore. I'm still trying to fight Brexit while the non-dom offshorers' propaganda sheets shriek independence, when they mean independent of British taxes and independence from the proposed EU crackdown. Salting away money in a tax haven. to make more money, in a country starved of investment, should be made a treasonable offence.

That shit Dyson was bigging up Brexit, but only if Britain cut Corp Tax to 0%, scrapped workers' guarantees - and still will build his new car plant in Malaysia. He's not a guru, he's a hoover salesman.

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#81
13/11/2017 at 02:26

Barking up the wrong tree mate.

I am all for a crackdown on tax fraud but it’s up to democracy to sort that shit out if tax is not to be theft.

The trouble with socialism at the core is that all it’s proponents don’t honk it means their money they think it’s someone else who has to do the sharing.

You can both (gull and candy) both go to the HMRC right now and write them a cheque I guarantee you they will accept it...

So when are you doing it?

The paradise / Panama papers expose various tax avoiding shits but also it exposes the tax legislation as well.

The rich have got so much money that invariably lots and lots of people have made voluntary economic exchanges with them.

Every pension holder (private and public) in the UK btw gets the same benefits as her Madge when they invest your money offshore. That’s you committing treason too buddy.  

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13/11/2017 at 07:41

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 13/11/2017 at 02:26
Barking up the wrong tree mate.

I am all for a crackdown on tax fraud but it’s up to democracy to sort that shit out if tax is not to be theft.

Finding a loophole and exploiting it is theft.

The trouble with socialism at the core is that all it’s proponents don’t honk it means their money they think it’s someone else who has to do the sharing.

Oh dear!

You can both (gull and candy) both go to the HMRC right now and write them a cheque I guarantee you they will accept it...

So when are you doing it?

Oh dear!

The paradise / Panama papers expose various tax avoiding shits but also it exposes the tax legislation as well.

I agree.

The rich have got so much money that invariably lots and lots of people have made voluntary economic exchanges with them.

And still Apple use tax evasion in Jersey etc.

Every pension holder (private and public) in the UK btw gets the same benefits as her Madge when they invest your money offshore. That’s you committing treason too buddy.

There's a difference between investing abroad and investing offshore. Look it up.
 

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#83
13/11/2017 at 09:56

But when your money comes back to the UK almost EVERY fund uses the method to avoid paying tax twice...

Look it up - you and your fund manager are likely doing exactly the same.  

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#84
13/11/2017 at 14:07

But when your money comes back to the UK almost EVERY fund uses the method to avoid paying tax twice...

Look it up - you and your fund manager are likely doing exactly the same.  

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#85
13/11/2017 at 19:19

...you and your fund manager are likely doing exactly the same.

If I'd ever met the swine I'd have told him to pay it all back.

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#86
13/11/2017 at 20:14

No you wouldn’t and he/she is working for the government anyway if it’s your state pension.

Totally political BS all designed to divert attention from our real economic issues which you know only too well.  

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#87
14/11/2017 at 07:34

The amount of money 'earned' in this country, by persons and global companies, on which no, or too little, tax is paid is a deliberate attack on every person who lives here and who does pay. Money sitting earning money that isn't used to further the development of the country is money stolen from those with a poorly paying job, a zero hours job, an inadequate house and a poor diet.

I love your phrase VEE. Voluntary economic exchange, my arse. On exactly whose terms?

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#88
14/11/2017 at 17:52

Tax used to be paid by serfs to kings and it was taken under threat otherwise people wouldn't pay it. Same is true today - if you don't pay - you get put in a cage. If you take your money invest it overseas, pay the tax or take the loss on your gamble should you pay tax again when the money 'electronically' comes back to the UK?

It's all about avoiding paying tax twice not NOT paying tax.

How can you steal from the 'people' by not paying tax twice to the 'state'?

Bizarre logic  

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#89
14/11/2017 at 19:30

The creators and actors of Mrs Browns Boys didn't pay UK tax at all - they got paid gross to a limited company, transferred the money into a Mauritian shell company, paid 10%, then used the Mauritian shell company to 'loan' them back the money... which was never repaid.

These kind of examples are nothing like what you describe.



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#90
14/11/2017 at 19:59

Bizarre logic? Your post was totally bizarre throughout. You are the Boris Johnson of Manchester. 

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