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essexgull

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#31
02/10/2017 at 19:34

Facts tend to do that to certain people.


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03/10/2017 at 10:18

We are all waiting expectantly for the only 2 people who really know about structural deficit to put the country right. I hope you have learned from the Tories fatal errors from the past 7 years and start with increasing revenues before considering more cuts. 

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essexgull

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03/10/2017 at 11:24

The only possible way that the UK can change it is for a huge government infrastructure and investment plan, with the private sector forced/obliged to chip in for the greater good.

They certainly won't do it voluntarily as it will upset the shareholders, so May's government won't do anything. But then do you trust that Corbyn and his team have the ability to do it well either? With May promising £10 billion to further inflate the housing market, a construction recession on the horizon and the still unknown factor of Brexit, I can't see much changing in the near future.

Genuinely, and not something that I would want, I think it will have to get a lot, lot worse for the UK before there is any incentive for real structural change. Whilst most of the population can get £40k cars on credit, holidays paid for, housing relatively cheaply, elderly relatives and health paid for, guaranteed pensions etc. there is little incentive for change.


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03/10/2017 at 12:43

Wrong

You are one of the many stuck in the old economics debates of spend or cut.

All economies have 'dark matter' in them called waste and removing it is far far more effective than either cutting costs 'austerity style' or 'borrowing and spending' on long winded 'investment projects'.

There is therefore a third way but too few people can do it and those that can have already been engaged and paid handsomely by other economies who are surging ahead without humility and reaping the rewards. Meanwhile our political tennis continues while the country sinks.

Just last week I attended a conference at TUC HQ detailing another Government initiative with billions spent, loads of little anecdotal improvements, but nothing ZERO, ZILCH, FUCK ALL going to the 'bottom-line'. Digging a little deeper into the 'Better Care Fund' you can see it's all fake improvements made by people who think that changing the organisation chart or buying some extra equipment will make any difference to an already broken system. That the NAO keeps on detailing failure after failure no matter who is in power seems lost on our simpleton gang affiliated electorate.

Most people are absolute clueless when it comes to REAL vs. FAKE improvement so we keeping getting Punch and Judy and Robbing Peter or Paul.

As you were  

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essexgull

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03/10/2017 at 13:55

We shall have to agree to disagree.

A radical overhaul is needed and a change in thinking to plan for the long term. Just saving money here and there is a temporary solution.

Millions, with millions more projected over the next two decades, are going self-employed. This means far less NI revenue for the treasury - it currently makes up 18% of income. On top of this, the millions working from home... Much lower business rates income for local councils.

What's going to replace this income? This is how the government should be thinking.


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#36
03/10/2017 at 15:08

Unpierced pigs ears to China. 

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exiled CITY AFC

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03/10/2017 at 15:50

Quote Quote by essexgull on 03/10/2017 at 13:55
We shall have to agree to disagree.

A radical overhaul is needed and a change in thinking to plan for the long term. Just saving money here and there is a temporary solution.

Millions, with millions more projected over the next two decades, are going self-employed. This means far less NI revenue for the treasury - it currently makes up 18% of income. On top of this, the millions working from home... Much lower business rates income for local councils.

What's going to replace this income? This is how the government should be thinking.

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Can't do anything long term on broken fundamentals - I can't be arsed to link to every NAO report on every major public sector investment project since time began.

Another shit load of projects will just waste more time, be late and not produce the benefits claimed.

Brits eh?

Great at predicting stuff shit at delivering it.  

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imperishablehcfc

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03/10/2017 at 17:54

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 03/10/2017 at 12:43
Wrong

You are one of the many stuck in the old economics debates of spend or cut.

All economies have 'dark matter' in them called waste and removing it is far far more effective than either cutting costs 'austerity style' or 'borrowing and spending' on long winded 'investment projects'.

There is therefore a third way but too few people can do it and those that can have already been engaged and paid handsomely by other economies who are surging ahead without humility and reaping the rewards. Meanwhile our political tennis continues while the country sinks.

Just last week I attended a conference at TUC HQ detailing another Government initiative with billions spent, loads of little anecdotal improvements, but nothing ZERO, ZILCH, FUCK ALL going to the 'bottom-line'. Digging a little deeper into the 'Better Care Fund' you can see it's all fake improvements made by people who think that changing the organisation chart or buying some extra equipment will make any difference to an already broken system. That the NAO keeps on detailing failure after failure no matter who is in power seems lost on our simpleton gang affiliated electorate.

Most people are absolute clueless when it comes to REAL vs. FAKE improvement so we keeping getting Punch and Judy and Robbing Peter or Paul.

As you were


Not sure that's necessarily the case i just think that in a majority of organisations both public and private, multi levels of management including the most senior are willing and able to manipulate the numbers with the sole aim of either keeping their jobs or collecting their 'performance' haha, related bonuses. Probably the biggest single reason why tranches of these managers move on after 3 years or so. if anyone in a 'the emperors got no clothes on moment' has the audacity to ask why nothing has reached the bottom line after a decade of improvements, 2 regular responses.

1) most of that was before my time so I can't really comment on it - easy when you are here today gone tomorrow
2) It's very difficult to compare year on tear in such a dynamic business as ours.

When we set up our plant on China with no such legacy situation with a Chinese workforce that had not learned this game, we embarrassed the rest of the organisation by delivering real improvements, response from other sites ' your doctoring the figures', lol.

It will only change when CEO's and their top teams are incentivised differently and become smart enough to be able to lead their organisations to deliver REAL improvements.

Unfortunately that's like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas  

Post edited on 03/10/2017 at 17:55 by imperishablehcfc

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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essexgull

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#39
03/10/2017 at 19:10

Chilling.


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