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essexgull

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27/09/2017 at 18:04

1) Despite the current popular belief, Blair was more often right than wrong.

His two main errors were war in Iraq and not protecting British blue collar workers from the EU expansion in 2004. However 95% of British people probably got wealthier between 1997-2007. Trade increased, house values grew, stock markets rallied, Brand Britain was at a peak not seen since the 1960s, relative wages grew for entire period, setting up a business got easier and easier, bureaucracy reduced, schools improved, education improved, medical care improved, public transport and travel improved, sterling remained strong for entire period, investment grew, unemployment decreased, social benefits increased, corporate tax levels reduced but the treasury balance increased and so on.

A Golden period for the UK.


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27/09/2017 at 19:07

All built on a tottering mountain of credit and by robbing Paul to pay peter.

Try telling that story to the 20k+ military posts that got cut to splurge on PFI / Education Education Education / and the most made up jobs bonanza in the public sector management since records began...

Sure was 'built-to-last' wasn't it?

Meanwhile McDonnell and Abbott do their maths

https://youtu.be/t8XMeocLflc

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27/09/2017 at 20:24

Try telling that story to the 20k+ military posts that got cut to splurge on PFI / Education Education Education...

Yes, the Tories recruited millions that Labour sacked and since Blair forces numbers have risen tenfold. Oh, no, the numbers have decreased every year since 1952. My mistake.

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27/09/2017 at 20:31

According to recent statistics (Jube 2015) from the MoD, the trained strength of the UK's armed forces is at 143,200, down from 176,600 in 2010.

Cuts began after the government's strategic defence and security review called for a restructure - dubbed Army 2020 - to help reduce the UK budget deficit.

The Army has cut more than 20,000 jobs well ahead of the 2018 target.

The other services have also already exceeded their targets for job cuts, with the RAF losing 8,500 personnel and the Royal Navy cutting more than 5,500 posts since 2010.


It's not what you actually say, it's also what you don't say when posting with data, eh?

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27/09/2017 at 20:34

1) Despite the current popular belief, Blair was more often right than Left.

And don't forget PFI.  

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essexgull

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27/09/2017 at 21:02

No politician will suit everyone's needs.

Was the UK, as a whole, better after a decade in his hands than before?


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27/09/2017 at 21:19

It was still the dark ages in Hull under Blair from 1997 to 2007 despite Prescott and Johnson being leading figures in his cabinet and regularly dining the twat out at Mr Chu's. Unprecedented investment in Hull since 2007.  

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27/09/2017 at 22:36

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 27/09/2017 at 21:19
It was still the dark ages in Hull under Blair from 1997 to 2007 despite Prescott and Johnson being leading figures in his cabinet and regularly dining the twat out at Mr Chu's. Unprecedented investment in Hull since 2007.


Stole my thunder - Blair was only interested in his fellow uni-educated metropolitan elite.

Former industrial heartlands that actually gave him a party to belong to fared less well eh?

According to candy's logic labour should have re-opened the mines and recruited all the miners that are now working in B&Q or driving for Uber.

Don't worry jezza will re-nationalise the mines and typewriter factories  

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essexgull

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28/09/2017 at 09:21

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 27/09/2017 at 22:36


Stole my thunder - Blair was only interested in his fellow uni-educated metropolitan elite.

Former industrial heartlands that actually gave him a party to belong to fared less well eh?

According to candy's logic labour should have re-opened the mines and recruited all the miners that are now working in B&Q or driving for Uber.

Don't worry jezza will re-nationalise the mines and typewriter factories


1) did you do well over the Blair decade?

2) would you have done as well under Corbyn or May?

3) are you a member of the metropolitan elite?


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28/09/2017 at 10:26

Quote Quote by essexgull on 28/09/2017 at 09:21


1) did you do well over the Blair decade?

2) would you have done as well under Corbyn or May?

3) are you a member of the metropolitan elite?

ESSEX GULL


1) Yes because I built a business that was virtual and could trade all over the world and access markets I didn't have access to in a prior decade. Blairs government was a closed shop to my kind of work because he employed his friends and encouraged others to do the same. We was surrounded by the usual suspects. I lost > six figures investing in Hull as it continued to decline.
2) Yes to May because I paid down debt and only invest in appreciating assets. Corbyn - no he will definitely hit me with higher taxes which I wouldn't mind if he wasn't going to waste them like he plans to - compensation for the big corporates and the money pit of nationalisation.
3) No because I will work and connect with anyone. - I don't care what school, or uni you went to, or political beliefs you hold if you are good at what you do and are serious I am there. I would work with Corbz if he was genuinely interested in doing something new.  

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essexgull

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28/09/2017 at 10:34

Fair enough.

1. I did well from the Blair decade.

2. Lost money under May effectively, due to weakening sterling and stagnant house prices. Would lose a lot under Corbyn due to a likely wealth tax, sterling crash etc.

3. Hmm, was, probably. Not any longer.


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The Prince of Munster

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28/09/2017 at 16:12

My opinion of Blair is that if he hadn't blindly followed and cuddled up to Bush like a loyal little lap dog - into Iraq and Afghanistan obviously - he would not be as loathed as he is within Labour Party circles. In fact I think he would have been seen as a great post-war PM and probably would have had a funeral procession greater than Thatcher.

As it happens he sent hundreds of servicemen to their deaths and played a big part in making the world a more dangerous place.

It could have all been so very different. 

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28/09/2017 at 18:24

The current Labour party don't hate Blair for his wars, they hate him for his move to the centre ground and his limiting of trade union influence. 

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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The Prince of Munster

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28/09/2017 at 19:01

We'll have to disagree about that  

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28/09/2017 at 19:43

The current Labour party don't hate Blair for his wars No, the right of the party still love him.

they hate him for his move to the centre ground and his limiting of trade union influence. The right still wish to be there and keep the unions down.

But the Left are crushing them gently.

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