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essexgull

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26/09/2017 at 16:50

16 months since the vote and it's fair to say the truth whatever your persuasion, it's not looking professional. The government seems not able to formulate any sort of demand or direction.

It would seem more sensible after all that has happened, for the government to work out what it wants from Brexit, offer it up to the public and then hold a binding referendum, so everyone can know roughly what they are voting for this time.

It's seems stupid to me to plough on ahead with zero coherent plan or target, with a government run by those more intent on stabbing their colleagues in the back than committing to a Brexit policy, other than the uk is leaving.


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27/09/2017 at 12:43

Still too many questions.

What do we actually pay gross & net after the rebate?

What do we pay during May's additional 2 year post-brexit transition?

How many immigrants can settle here during the transition?

Can we form FTA's during transition?

When does the EU stop funding UK based projects?

Do we need Farage/Banks to form a new UKIP to keep up the pressure, an Alternative for Britain Party? 

Post edited on 27/09/2017 at 12:44 by TedLloyd

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27/09/2017 at 14:04

If you think Farage and Banks are other than fucking chancers, teddie, you need to look again.

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TedLloyd

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27/09/2017 at 14:24

UKIP are destined to split, I'm with Anne Marie Waters but the establishment still listen to Farage so I'm happy for him to keep poking the Tories.  

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charon-the-ferryman

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27/09/2017 at 16:09

Quote Quote by candw on 27/09/2017 at 14:04
If you think Farage and Banks are other than fucking chancers, teddie, you need to look again.


I see Corbyn wants to tax progress now - what a silly cunt 

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essexgull

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27/09/2017 at 16:21

Corbyn will say anything that makes his coterie of catamites jump in a circle like dumb apes.

He will be an absolute disaster for the UK. Business will shy away, sterling will shank, he'll have to borrow more and more at higher rates to please/employ/subsidise his band of people and he'll have to implement authoritarian financial rules to create a protected economy that can no longer compete on global terms. All which is why it is necessary for him to get into power next time, to offer a healthy reminder to the British public why to never vote or support a left wing candidate and party.

For the country to recover will take Thatcherite reforms to basically get the majority off the state bill and so the cycle will begin again as people reawaken and move back to the centre, which benefits most.


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candw

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27/09/2017 at 16:32

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 27/09/2017 at 16:09


I see Corbyn wants to tax progress now - what a silly cunt


Do you mean Progress?

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TedLloyd

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27/09/2017 at 16:32

Labour regressing back to socialism under Corbyn makes them unelectable and the Lib Dems remain inert under the insane Cable to move into the void on the centre left. May is currently appeasing both the right & centre ground.  

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Obadiah

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27/09/2017 at 17:09

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 27/09/2017 at 12:43
Still too many questions.

What do we actually pay gross & net after the rebate?

The Telegraph says the net payment is around £8 billion a year after deducting the rebate and payments from the EU to UK business, individuals and public authorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-muc h-do-we-spend-on-the-eu-and-what-else-cou ld-it-pay-for/

What do we pay during May's additional 2 year post-brexit transition?

The estimate was around £9 billion a year. Roughly the same as our net payments to the EU. Which makes sense. They don't pay the farmers etc and we continue to pay their farmers etc.

How many immigrants can settle here during the transition?

There will be unlimited migration from the EU plus whoever else the Tories let in. That's what remaining in the single market means.

Can we form FTA's during transition?

No, again the Tories are prepared to accept the rules of the single market.

When does the EU stop funding UK based projects?

March 2017. We may remain members of some EU bodies, for example in science, and receive funding that way but all the rest of the funding stops when we leave.

Do we need Farage/Banks to form a new UKIP to keep up the pressure, an Alternative for Britain Party?

No. UKIP main aim was to take votes from Labour to keep the Tories in power. Farage doesn't want the responsibility, which is why he ran away after the vote. Big business wants to remain in the EU and Farage would eventually give them what they want.



I've answered your questions as best I can. 

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TedLloyd

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28/09/2017 at 09:11

Cheers Obi, a lengthy transition will hold us back on doing our own FTA deals and leave our borders open even longer. May appeared too reasonable in Florence for me. The EU dynamic is already shifting away from a weaker Merkel with Macron ready to usurp her position, our Brexit position should be strong, swift and fair but whenever we leave and whatever the cost it will all be worth it in the end.  

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essexgull

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28/09/2017 at 09:19

How do you know?


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candw

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28/09/2017 at 09:56

...it will all be worth it in the end.

Only the (rich) wogs we want, eh? All the anti-worker laws we can think of? Offshore friendly taxes? No Welfare State? Forward airbase status?

Or are you expecting Corbyn to win?

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28/09/2017 at 18:29

It was nice to hear Corbyn at conference finally accept that they lost the last election, maybe he'll start telling a few more truths.

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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candw

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28/09/2017 at 19:38

Tezza says: "The Tories weren't ready for the snap election (THAT THEY CALLED!) and that there: "Wasn't enough debate" (WHICH SHE REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN!) Chinky still loves her because he's a Labour supporter.

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essexgull

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29/09/2017 at 06:24

So, looks like May has folded her hand..

2 year transition period, equal and the same rights for EU citizens, a huge pay-off, access to tariff free single market, no Irish border ie. As open as before and courts aligned with the ECJ...


Was it really worth it? Cheaper, less bureaucracy and easier to have stayed in.

Another typical British tits-up. A lesson to not vote for what not you're sure of.


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29/09/2017 at 07:39

Quote Quote by candw on 27/09/2017 at 16:32


Do you mean Progress?


click

back to the horse and cart and working in the fields - lets hope the witchfinder doesn't visit these parts 

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candw

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29/09/2017 at 10:35

What are we all going to do, charon, about robots? (Not me, obviously!)

Will they relieve us of more and more work and lead to a golden age where there is plenty for all? Or will they lead to more money for the rich and the replaced workers being left on basic dole? I know which you want.

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29/09/2017 at 13:29

Quote Quote by candw on 29/09/2017 at 10:35
What are we all going to do, charon, about robots? (Not me, obviously!)

Will they relieve us of more and more work and lead to a golden age where there is plenty for all? Or will they lead to more money for the rich and the replaced workers being left on basic dole? I know which you want.


says you, typing into your computer - what about all those poor souls who used to make paper, the people from Quink, making the ink, the poor old postie, now obsolete - just think of all those lost jobs as we could be sat in the parlour waiting for the next letter coming through the door wondering what our witty reply will be - --- wake up boyo !!! you can't stop progress and taxing it is akin to the little boy with his finger stuck in the dyke- oo matron 

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candw

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29/09/2017 at 15:03

No reply then. No surprise there, dude. 

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01/10/2017 at 21:12

Candy we will do about robots what we have always done about automation and mechanisation - it will help us move on to higher order issues to solve. Meanwhile jobs will change and new jobs will be invented. Entrepreneurs will find stuff to do and sell and employ people doing new things.

Since the beginning of time old people have worried about what comes next whilst the kids are already doing it.

Your doom and gloom is unfounded.

Future is bright  

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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