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exiled CITY AFC

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08/11/2017 at 00:50

One of my favourite things is watching Brits pontificate about America without ever having been there. The first mistake most Brits make is in thinking that the two cultures must be close given the common language and what most Brits perceive as a society modelled on shared values it isn’t.

Fiscally it is hard to find many Americans that are anything but free marketeers, insisting on low taxes and good competition to help consumers get great value. Socially most Americans are very very socially minded - far more polite and caring than Brits are - but crucially not via collectivism of resources but instead a sense of freedom loving individuals pursuing shared values who will help each other out IF needed.

The biggest myth is that America is what comes out of California and NYC (which to Americans are as alien as London now is to most Brits) is indicative of the wider culture it isn’t. The media is like football teams and you either go Fox or CNN. Both are clearly biased to their respective audiences but intelligent Americans see both and thus get a perspective far more informed than we get from the class biased BBC.

The political system is surround by a sea of lobbyists which ensures that most ordinary Americans see Washington as the toxic swamp that every president promises to drain.

Sanders is left of centre, Clinton is a war mongering stooge who speaks with forked tongue and does whatever the big business who is paying her wants her to do. So Blair-ish

Trump is a right of centre Populist in the same way that Corbyn is a left wing Populist promising what each respective audience wants to hear but being able to deliver very little of it.

Got to any bar, social gathering, black or white and you will be surprised how much support he has and still has despite what you read and hear here. I was there for the last ten days and his approval rating among ordinary folk is staggering.

Meanwhile the hard left in the USA exist in an enclave in California and throughout much of the education system so American kids have a very hard time as they leave education and enter the workplace (market). They think they are going to get a 100k a year job sitting on beanbags at Google and an LGBTQIA friendly boss who provides safe spaces but unless they went to the best schools they are likely to work for the Hispanic pool cleaning company that was started by an owner who expects them to work as hard as they did.

If they stay in the system and academia they just swallow more of their own exhaust fumes and that is why you are seeing the humanities led take-over of their educational system spoiling young adults like babies and giving them an easy time ( to attract their business ) but I’ll preparing them for work.

Hi profile movements:-

BLM - hated by most mainstream blacks as divisive and reverse racist
NFL - take a knee seen as hand wringing multimillionaire prima-Donnas by the mostly working class fan base
ANTIFA - communism in our backyard rebooted

Are tiny tiny things that have gotten way more profile than they actually enjoy but he MSM media there, like here is desperate for content and now dying in the face of direct social media and blogging / vlog based media. Brits like Paul Joseph Watson and Tommy Robinson have profile over there that is massive and reaches millions on a weekly basis.

They look to Europe on what to avoid and we should look to them as to to what is coming next.


The modern American class system is like ours based on educational factors and despite the media presenting a racial divide made and caused by white folks - its a chasm in most places like the Christian / Muslim chasm is here. My experience having socialised in both communities is it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other. Culturally they are as different as ever but it’s not hate or racism driven. Indeed People may well work together, go to school together, and fall in jail together as in MLK’s dream BUT they rarely if EVER socialise together. They mostly want to do different things. Sport is the great shared passion (baseball / football /soccer) NASCAR is white.

It’s no coincidence that Brits are not taught American politics until A-level here in the UK.

Still we have seemingly >60m experts on America from watching films and going to Florida for a two week holiday.  

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#62
08/11/2017 at 07:52

Interesting, but ram packed with your assumptions of what people assume.

A different view.

An approval rating of 36% is not brilliant.

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08/11/2017 at 09:09

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/11/2017 at 00:50
One of my favourite things is watching Brits pontificate about America without ever having been there. The first mistake most Brits make is in thinking that the two cultures must be close given the common language and what most Brits perceive as a society modelled on shared values it isn’t.
We don't, we look on them as gun toting aliens with a somewhat similar language.

Fiscally it is hard to find many Americans that are anything but free marketeers, insisting on low taxes and good competition to help consumers get great value. Socially most Americans are very very socially minded - far more polite and caring than Brits are - but crucially not via collectivism of resources but instead a sense of freedom loving individuals pursuing shared values who will help each other out IF needed.
Americans have believed their own propaganda and thrash around looking for any odd reason to explain why they are being cut adrift by the system.

The biggest myth is that America is what comes out of California and NYC (which to Americans are as alien as London now is to most Brits) is indicative of the wider culture it isn’t. The media is like football teams and you either go Fox or CNN. Both are clearly biased to their respective audiences but intelligent Americans see both and thus get a perspective far more informed than we get from the class biased BBC.
LOL! Decent Americans would rather be blind than watch Faux News. California - rich and prospering, Swampsville - lowest wages poorest jobs.

The political system is surround by a sea of lobbyists which ensures that most ordinary Americans see Washington as the toxic swamp that every president promises to drain.

Sanders is left of centre, Clinton is a war mongering stooge who speaks with forked tongue and does whatever the big business who is paying her wants her to do. So Blair-ish

Trump is a right of centre Populist in the same way that Corbyn is a left wing Populist promising what each respective audience wants to hear but being able to deliver very little of it.
Poor analogy. Trump was voted for by turkeys who believe in Xmas. He's pressing ahead with extra rewards for the rich bastards who financed him. Corbyn will have to deliver in the face of the offshorers.

Got to any bar, social gathering, black or white and you will be surprised how much support he has and still has despite what you read and hear here. I was there for the last ten days and his approval rating among ordinary folk is staggering.
Among non ordinary folk he is toxic at 36%$

Meanwhile the hard left in the USA exist in an enclave in California and throughout much of the education system so American kids have a very hard time as they leave education and enter the workplace (market). They think they are going to get a 100k a year job sitting on beanbags at Google and an LGBTQIA friendly boss who provides safe spaces but unless they went to the best schools they are likely to work for the Hispanic pool cleaning company that was started by an owner who expects them to work as hard as they did.
No bias in this paragraph. "Hard left", eh?

If they stay in the system and academia they just swallow more of their own exhaust fumes and that is why you are seeing the humanities led take-over of their educational system spoiling young adults like babies and giving them an easy time ( to attract their business ) but I’ll preparing them for work.
Oh dear!

Hi profile movements:-

BLM - hated by most mainstream blacks as divisive and reverse racist Uncle Tomism, eh?
NFL - take a knee seen as hand wringing multimillionaire prima-Donnas by the mostly working class fan base Can't protest shit if your rich, eh?
ANTIFA - communism in our backyard rebooted Lol!

Are tiny tiny things that have gotten way more profile than they actually enjoy but he MSM media there, like here is desperate for content and now dying in the face of direct social media and blogging / vlog based media. Brits like Paul Joseph Watson and Tommy Robinson have profile over there that is massive and reaches millions on a weekly basis.

This doesn't include Twitter, which you despise, obviously.

They look to Europe on what to avoid and we should look to them as to to what is coming next.
We already have. Some of us for half a century or more. We don't and we're desperate to keep as much of it out as possible.

The modern American class system is like ours based on educational factors and despite the media presenting a racial divide made and caused by white folks - its a chasm in most places like the Christian / Muslim chasm is here. My experience having socialised in both communities is it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other. Culturally they are as different as ever but it’s not hate or racism driven. Indeed People may well work together, go to school together, and fall in jail together as in MLK’s dream BUT they rarely if EVER socialise together. They mostly want to do different things. Sport is the great shared passion (baseball / football /soccer) NASCAR is white.

It’s no coincidence that Brits are not taught American politics until A-level here in the UK.
You can see why. The President of that country didn't realise how many countries there are in the world until he became president. Why should we care, we cannot influence it?

Still we have seemingly >60m experts on America from watching films and going to Florida for a two week holiday.
Well, you are nothing if not a totally condescending twat. I suppose the only way to know about dogshit is to roll around in it for a while?
 

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08/11/2017 at 11:42

Exiled, you display such an ignorance of the hard left in the USA. Admittedly one that fits in with your prejudices.

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09/11/2017 at 11:15

I thought I agreed with your sentiment Obi that Antifa is a small toothless movement in America as shown by he massive uprising on the 4th of November..?

I like to think I have gotten rid of most of my prejudices - having had some as a product of my upbringing and education I have sought to understand the actual realities by going to see things for myself and considering both sides of the argument.

My biggest revelations have been what I thought was true about politics and the social constructs of our societies.

Internationally my visits to pre-and post eastern bloc and pre and post Cold War USA have been where I learned the most about people and ideology.

Novosibirsk is not much different from the Rust belt USA 

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09/11/2017 at 12:58

...I have sought to understand the actual realities by going to see things for myself and considering both sides of the argument.

Only a total "brainwipe" could rid you of all your prejudices, so what you've done is pop to somewhere, look around and make a judgement, which most people can do by reading a wide variety of screeds and make a judgement. You did not live as a poor white or a poor black and navigate life's difficult journeys over a period of years. A few stills from a movie, comrade.

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#67
09/11/2017 at 15:35

Sorry but if you knew my work you would know I am as far from your 'gap year' tourist you describe as you can imagine.

You wish I wasn't so well informed.

I have lived and worked in places you can only theorise about.  

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#68
09/11/2017 at 17:18

LEAN in the Deep South?

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