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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 24/09/2017 at 09:49
Social media takes away the power of the press and television and the right don't like it, so they whinge and moan.


And yet here I am, posting stuff from social media, and here it is being written off. The bulk of the press in the UK is certainly right wing. The BBC news has moved rightwards since Cameron threatened it with regulation. I've freuquently referred to Laura Kun*zberg as "the BBC's Tory Spokesperson".

The US media is, apart from a few examples (Fox, Breitbart...), left wing. Commentators that create YouTube videos often refer to what they call the MSM (mainstream media) losing its influence and thrashing wildly (and mendaciously) in its death throes. 

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25/09/2017 at 09:26

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 04:51


And yet here I am, posting stuff from social media, and here it is being written off. The bulk of the press in the UK is certainly right wing. The BBC news has moved rightwards since Cameron threatened it with regulation. I've freuquently referred to Laura Kun*zberg as "the BBC's Tory Spokesperson".

The US media is, apart from a few examples (Fox, Breitbart...), left wing. Commentators that create YouTube videos often refer to what they call the MSM (mainstream media) losing its influence and thrashing wildly (and mendaciously) in its death throes.


The US media is overwhelmingly right wing.

Which papers, radio stations and TV channels opposed the invasion of Iraq? How many oppose the build up of troops in Afghanistan by Trump? How many supported Bernie Saunders against Hilary Clinton? How many called for him to set up a new party opposed to the big business dominated Democrats? How many call for the US government to nationalise the health industry in response to Trump's attack on Obamacare?

Perception has always been influenced on where you stand.

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25/09/2017 at 09:57

And Left in the US doesn't need to mean Left.

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25/09/2017 at 15:34

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 04:51


The US media is, apart from a few examples (Fox, Breitbart...), left wing.


Err, can someone return the real Other Phantom pronto.

Kuennsberg isn't a Tory stooge. She asks hard questions of the promises made by Corbyn and McDonnell. Exactly what she should be doing in her job and as a middling Corbyn supporter, exactly what i want to read about. Shameful state of affairs that she's received violent threats, but that's broken Britain all over - either drunken fools destroying everyone else's charter holiday or pretending to be right-on and sending death threats anonymously on Twitter. Has a nation ever regressed so much in a 30 year period.


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25/09/2017 at 17:18

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 25/09/2017 at 09:26


The US media is overwhelmingly right wing.

Which papers, radio stations and TV channels opposed the invasion of Iraq? How many oppose the build up of troops in Afghanistan by Trump? How many supported Bernie Saunders against Hilary Clinton? How many called for him to set up a new party opposed to the big business dominated Democrats? How many call for the US government to nationalise the health industry in response to Trump's attack on Obamacare?

Perception has always been influenced on where you stand.



The US media overwhelmingly favoured Clinton over Trump. Despite this, the media was still in the top thousand of her reasons for losing. The major mistake the Democrats made was allowing Clinton to cheat Saunders out of the contest, but she still got most of the media support. I wanted Saunders to win. 

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25/09/2017 at 17:31

Clinton wasn't left wing, old fruit. Economically, she was more 'right wing' than Trump.

She got most of the media support, but the media also delighted in exploiting the news of her email 'mishaps' - it fingered her with one hand and stabbed with the other. Numerous reports of her alleged health issues and her husband's exploits also contributed. Most of her thousand reasons for losing are correct.

Sanders lost by 4 million votes... that's some rigging if you genuinely believe it had that much of an effect. Sanders got practically zero black and hispanic votes... they all wanted Clinton. Sanders could have run as an independent candidate after Clinton was given the ticket, but he didn't - why not? i don't get this Sanders myth. He had no chance.



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25/09/2017 at 17:54

Here are some figures.

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25/09/2017 at 18:16

He had no chance because he had no business or capital backing him... Hence why he didn't use his popularity to go it as an independent.


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25/09/2017 at 18:38

If JC went as an independent rather than as Labour, with Labour fielding a Labour candidate, would that help or hinder the Tories?

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 25/09/2017 at 15:34


Err, can someone return the real Other Phantom pronto.

Kuennsberg isn't a Tory stooge. She asks hard questions of the promises made by Corbyn and McDonnell. Exactly what she should be doing in her job and as a middling Corbyn supporter, exactly what i want to read about. Shameful state of affairs that she's received violent threats, but that's broken Britain all over - either drunken fools destroying everyone else's charter holiday or pretending to be right-on and sending death threats anonymously on Twitter. Has a nation ever regressed so much in a 30 year period.


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Yes, shameful, but off the point.

The left thinks the BBC is right-biased and the right thinks it's left-biased. Cameron threatened the BBC with regulation for being too left leaning when it was nothing of the sort; its upper echelons were and are dominated by former Tory party workers. At Cameron's threat, BBC news leapt obediently to heel to prevent regulation. Kun*berg has deliberately misrepresented Corbyn's views. That is a fact and I believe she is a Tory stooge. 

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25/09/2017 at 18:57

If JC split, formed his own proper labour party, leaving centrist labour behind, it would open up the UK to the possibility of finally having a proper coalition government and a long awaited conversion to proportional representation.

If he had done it pre general election, the outcome would most likely have been the same as it was anyway, but with labours votes split.


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25/09/2017 at 19:02

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 18:54


Yes, shameful, but off the point.

The left thinks the BBC is right-biased and the right thinks it's left-biased. Cameron threatened the BBC with regulation for being too left leaning when it was nothing of the sort; its upper echelons were and are dominated by former Tory party workers. At Cameron's threat, BBC news leapt obediently to heel to prevent regulation. Kun*berg has deliberately misrepresented Corbyn's views. That is a fact and I believe she is a Tory stooge.


I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, so I'll leave it at that.


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25/09/2017 at 19:55

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 17:18


The US media overwhelmingly favoured Clinton over Trump. Despite this, the media was still in the top thousand of her reasons for losing. The major mistake the Democrats made was allowing Clinton to cheat Saunders out of the contest, but she still got most of the media support. I wanted Saunders to win.


Exactly my point. Clinton and the current Democrats are not left wing, especially if you compare them to LB Johnson, Carter and Kennedy. And they weren't particularly left wing either.  

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26/09/2017 at 02:50

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 25/09/2017 at 19:55


Exactly my point. Clinton and the current Democrats are not left wing, especially if you compare them to LB Johnson, Carter and Kennedy. And they weren't particularly left wing either.


As much left wing as Blair then. I gather Clinton (like Blair, like the Blairites in the PLP, like the Tories) are disciples of the awful neo-liberal economic theory. Is Trump also a believer in that, or could he do away with it in the US? Or is the US totally run by corporations and the colour of the president largely irrelevant? Is Trump really a Republican anyway? 

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