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Well that was a load of shit!

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Top has officially had his account hacked.


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Feminist numbers, obviously.

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Oh well, don't say you weren't warned. 

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12/09/2017 at 20:05

ToP, I should warn you that most of these anti-PC etc videos you post, from North America, are the work of Putin's Disinformation Ministry. Look what happened to the US after he attacked the Anointed Vagina in the election. She lost to a mentally challenged sex abuser. And now Putin's posting vids suggesting this 'pussy grabbing' is feminazi disinformation.

You have been warned.

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13/09/2017 at 03:56

Thanks.

Does anyone know about or have any insights into something called the Barcelona Declaration? 

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13/09/2017 at 07:03

its an agreement of Mediterranean countries to start sinking these the refugee boats rather than rescuing them, apparently its very popular with EU countries 

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13/09/2017 at 07:43

Yes, it's sort of the opposite of what charon said.

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Most helpful! 

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So, Richard Dawkins not being de-platformed in 2016.



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Dawkins on being deplatformed in 2017. He was to be interviewed on a radio station about a (science) book he wrote, but the station backed down after idiots pointed out that he had criticised Islam (but he criticises all religions; Islam is a special case, of course, so the station cancelled the interview).



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15/09/2017 at 04:48

Antifa call gay Muslims Islamophobic.



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15/09/2017 at 05:22

Ben Shapiro, admittedly white and on the right, but Jewish so probably not a Nazi (unless he disagrees with Antifa), refutes all sorts of stuff.



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15/09/2017 at 06:14

A bit long. Protestors totally missed the point ("Whoooosh!" as one would comment hereabouts) of Toronto University Professor Jordan Peterson's objection to a proposed change in Canadian law (which was passed, despite his appeal, with a lawyer, to the Canadian parliament, who also did not understand the point his was making). Despite denials by parliament, "misgendering" a "transgender" person by unknowingly or deliberately failing to use their chosen third-person pronouns when referring to them can be interpreted as illegal in Canadian law. Further, failure to back down under accusations or decisions from a tribunal (parts of Canadian law are moving from decisions by juries to decisions by tribunals) from the Ontario Human Rights Commission (a body alleged to be riven with ideologues) can result in contempt of court charges, and therefore prison, along with loss/confiscation of assets.

It's easier to watch by dipping in every few minutes along the timeline. Peterson tries to deliver his lecture, but the lecture theatre is invaded by protestors. Eventually all move outside, where Peterson is surrounded by the members of the audience that want to hear him, so he delivers as best he can, while the protestors continue with their noise at more of a distance.



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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 13/09/2017 at 12:50
Most helpful!


Sorry, ToP, that was helpful.

Here's what the anti-antifa really believe.

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Apropos of absolutely nothing:



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I'm praying for you swift and complete recovery, ToP.

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15/09/2017 at 16:51

Likewise.

He's gone over to the dark side and sadly, probably won't be returning. Give it a few more weeks and he'll be linking every post to workers paradises and bemoaning the fact he can't get a pint of Carling at 5am in a village pub. I suppose there is a void to fill on here. If only he could find a Kenyan wife and type in capitals as well.


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15/09/2017 at 19:31

Yes, gull, he is slipping that way.

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Added for my reference.



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23/09/2017 at 18:13

If students can't be loony, who can?

Anyway, all these students and marchers and loonies and antifas are totally fucking up the economy and the lives of people in the poorer half of society and are threatening world peace and people one of our greatest posters should be wasting his fucking time on. Or not? Eh?

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23/09/2017 at 19:30

Quote Quote by candw on 23/09/2017 at 18:13
If students can't be loony, who can?

Anyway, all these students and marchers and loonies and antifas are totally fucking up the economy and the lives of people in the poorer half of society and are threatening world peace and people one of our greatest posters should be wasting his fucking time on. Or not? Eh?


There are downstream consequences; brainwashed graduates are creating bad laws in many countries. Ideologically motivated social engineering decades back (60s, probably) appears to the root cause of absent fathers in the "African-American" US communities, and those absences appear to be the cause of most of their problems. Apparently.

Otherwise, yes to the wasting of time, alas, but trying to gain some knowledge/understanding in areas not within my spheres of expertise. 

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23/09/2017 at 19:54

Compliment appreciated, btw. 

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 23/09/2017 at 15:04
Added for my reference.





"Peter Hitchens laughing at looney students" - the person who put up the video failed to understand what Peter Hitchens was saying, or maybe he or she did.

The right want a safe space where their views are not challenged. They will attack and ridicule anyone who does challenge them. From the 1980s I remember the press treatment of Tony Benn and Peter Tatchell. Social media takes away the power of the press and television and the right don't like it, so they whinge and moan.  

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 24/09/2017 at 09:49
Social media takes away the power of the press and television and the right don't like it, so they whinge and moan.


And yet here I am, posting stuff from social media, and here it is being written off. The bulk of the press in the UK is certainly right wing. The BBC news has moved rightwards since Cameron threatened it with regulation. I've freuquently referred to Laura Kun*zberg as "the BBC's Tory Spokesperson".

The US media is, apart from a few examples (Fox, Breitbart...), left wing. Commentators that create YouTube videos often refer to what they call the MSM (mainstream media) losing its influence and thrashing wildly (and mendaciously) in its death throes. 

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 04:51


And yet here I am, posting stuff from social media, and here it is being written off. The bulk of the press in the UK is certainly right wing. The BBC news has moved rightwards since Cameron threatened it with regulation. I've freuquently referred to Laura Kun*zberg as "the BBC's Tory Spokesperson".

The US media is, apart from a few examples (Fox, Breitbart...), left wing. Commentators that create YouTube videos often refer to what they call the MSM (mainstream media) losing its influence and thrashing wildly (and mendaciously) in its death throes.


The US media is overwhelmingly right wing.

Which papers, radio stations and TV channels opposed the invasion of Iraq? How many oppose the build up of troops in Afghanistan by Trump? How many supported Bernie Saunders against Hilary Clinton? How many called for him to set up a new party opposed to the big business dominated Democrats? How many call for the US government to nationalise the health industry in response to Trump's attack on Obamacare?

Perception has always been influenced on where you stand.

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25/09/2017 at 09:57

And Left in the US doesn't need to mean Left.

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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 04:51


The US media is, apart from a few examples (Fox, Breitbart...), left wing.


Err, can someone return the real Other Phantom pronto.

Kuennsberg isn't a Tory stooge. She asks hard questions of the promises made by Corbyn and McDonnell. Exactly what she should be doing in her job and as a middling Corbyn supporter, exactly what i want to read about. Shameful state of affairs that she's received violent threats, but that's broken Britain all over - either drunken fools destroying everyone else's charter holiday or pretending to be right-on and sending death threats anonymously on Twitter. Has a nation ever regressed so much in a 30 year period.


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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 25/09/2017 at 09:26


The US media is overwhelmingly right wing.

Which papers, radio stations and TV channels opposed the invasion of Iraq? How many oppose the build up of troops in Afghanistan by Trump? How many supported Bernie Saunders against Hilary Clinton? How many called for him to set up a new party opposed to the big business dominated Democrats? How many call for the US government to nationalise the health industry in response to Trump's attack on Obamacare?

Perception has always been influenced on where you stand.



The US media overwhelmingly favoured Clinton over Trump. Despite this, the media was still in the top thousand of her reasons for losing. The major mistake the Democrats made was allowing Clinton to cheat Saunders out of the contest, but she still got most of the media support. I wanted Saunders to win. 

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Clinton wasn't left wing, old fruit. Economically, she was more 'right wing' than Trump.

She got most of the media support, but the media also delighted in exploiting the news of her email 'mishaps' - it fingered her with one hand and stabbed with the other. Numerous reports of her alleged health issues and her husband's exploits also contributed. Most of her thousand reasons for losing are correct.

Sanders lost by 4 million votes... that's some rigging if you genuinely believe it had that much of an effect. Sanders got practically zero black and hispanic votes... they all wanted Clinton. Sanders could have run as an independent candidate after Clinton was given the ticket, but he didn't - why not? i don't get this Sanders myth. He had no chance.



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Here are some figures.

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He had no chance because he had no business or capital backing him... Hence why he didn't use his popularity to go it as an independent.


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If JC went as an independent rather than as Labour, with Labour fielding a Labour candidate, would that help or hinder the Tories?

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 25/09/2017 at 15:34


Err, can someone return the real Other Phantom pronto.

Kuennsberg isn't a Tory stooge. She asks hard questions of the promises made by Corbyn and McDonnell. Exactly what she should be doing in her job and as a middling Corbyn supporter, exactly what i want to read about. Shameful state of affairs that she's received violent threats, but that's broken Britain all over - either drunken fools destroying everyone else's charter holiday or pretending to be right-on and sending death threats anonymously on Twitter. Has a nation ever regressed so much in a 30 year period.


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Yes, shameful, but off the point.

The left thinks the BBC is right-biased and the right thinks it's left-biased. Cameron threatened the BBC with regulation for being too left leaning when it was nothing of the sort; its upper echelons were and are dominated by former Tory party workers. At Cameron's threat, BBC news leapt obediently to heel to prevent regulation. Kun*berg has deliberately misrepresented Corbyn's views. That is a fact and I believe she is a Tory stooge. 

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If JC split, formed his own proper labour party, leaving centrist labour behind, it would open up the UK to the possibility of finally having a proper coalition government and a long awaited conversion to proportional representation.

If he had done it pre general election, the outcome would most likely have been the same as it was anyway, but with labours votes split.


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Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 25/09/2017 at 18:54


Yes, shameful, but off the point.

The left thinks the BBC is right-biased and the right thinks it's left-biased. Cameron threatened the BBC with regulation for being too left leaning when it was nothing of the sort; its upper echelons were and are dominated by former Tory party workers. At Cameron's threat, BBC news leapt obediently to heel to prevent regulation. Kun*berg has deliberately misrepresented Corbyn's views. That is a fact and I believe she is a Tory stooge.


I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion, so I'll leave it at that.


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The US media overwhelmingly favoured Clinton over Trump. Despite this, the media was still in the top thousand of her reasons for losing. The major mistake the Democrats made was allowing Clinton to cheat Saunders out of the contest, but she still got most of the media support. I wanted Saunders to win.


Exactly my point. Clinton and the current Democrats are not left wing, especially if you compare them to LB Johnson, Carter and Kennedy. And they weren't particularly left wing either.  

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 25/09/2017 at 19:55


Exactly my point. Clinton and the current Democrats are not left wing, especially if you compare them to LB Johnson, Carter and Kennedy. And they weren't particularly left wing either.


As much left wing as Blair then. I gather Clinton (like Blair, like the Blairites in the PLP, like the Tories) are disciples of the awful neo-liberal economic theory. Is Trump also a believer in that, or could he do away with it in the US? Or is the US totally run by corporations and the colour of the president largely irrelevant? Is Trump really a Republican anyway? 

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Right. A change here. This (US Conservative) woman argues that the feminist movement has been hijacked by Marxists as part of a prolonged campaign to seize power. She quotes Marx as wanting to destroy the family and make women depedendent on the state. I mentioned elsewhere that the misfortunes of US blacks appears to stem from absent fathers (I believe the figure is 73% of black children over there growing up without fathers). This suggests the Marxist-feminist plan to destroy families is making inroads, but it's not to the benefit of those from wrecked homes. I hope we can agree that broken families work less well than properly functioning traditional ones. Seeing as I seem to be so good at misunderstanding what I see in these videos, prehaps m'learned friends could point out where this woman is leading me astray (but you can ignore the bit near the end where she gets into party politics).



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Err, can someone return the real Other Phantom pronto.

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Yeah, blame my mate who persuaded me that the Tories are basically the antiChrist (though not in a religious way, of course). Turns out he has some very odd (and, I assume, lefty) ideas that I can't buy. Frinstance, he believes nobody should inherit anything from anybody (whereas I think inheritance tax is immoral) and he believes that nothing should ever be named after anybody, which I think is going to make a right mess of place names, street names, and the naming of animals and stuff in science. But there you go.

So, okay, I'll concede that the Democrats and Democrat-favouring media are not really left-wing. It does appear that a lot of US culture is, however, which is kind of weird. Confusing that the Republicans are the red team over there and the Democrats the blue team, but the Usans tend to get a lot of things the wrong way round.

There's some entertaining weirdness been going on over there about gridiron players protesting during the national anthem. Trump stuck in his tuppennyworth and the whole thing got polarised in no time, resulting in the NFL TV audience dropping. I shouldn't waste my time. 

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So the absent Black fathers live in the parts of the US controlled by Marxists? Or do Marxist-Feminist Black wives send them away against their will?

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Quote Quote by candw on 26/09/2017 at 07:38
So the absent Black fathers live in the parts of the US controlled by Marxists? Or do Marxist-Feminist Black wives send them away against their will?


I thought you might be able to explain it to me. I'm no expert on social engineering, but I gather the figure for absent fathers in black communities was around 23% when the sixties started and is now around 73%. Something made it change. It might bet the Black Wives Matter lot. 

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As much left wing as Blair then. I gather Clinton (like Blair, like the Blairites in the PLP, like the Tories) are disciples of the awful neo-liberal economic theory. Is Trump also a believer in that, or could he do away with it in the US? Or is the US totally run by corporations and the colour of the president largely irrelevant? Is Trump really a Republican anyway?


Blair wasn't left wing. Trump will do what big business wants, just like Obama, Bush, Clinton and every other US President.

The colour of the President isn't irrelevant but...

Trump is a right-wing populist who is slowly learning how little power he really has. 

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