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14/09/2017 at 21:46

Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/09/2017 at 20:40
No, I just don't see myself as a victim. I accept that being born white, male and British has given me a huge advantage in life.

I don't watch any of those films, that you and TOP link nowadays, as they're entirely one-sided and report only what confirms their point, so I can't take it seriously. I'm of a science and logic background, so know that there's arguments for and against in the vast majority of cases and don't trust just hearing one side of the argument. I only trust documentaries that allow the viewer to make up their own mind and present evidence fairly.


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It's profoundly bizarre that the videos I've posted and comments I've made on this and the longer thread have been about criticising groups in the USA and Canada that have been closing down free speech at lectures, deplatforming speakers (Richard Dawkins, ffs) many of who are in no way extremists, and opposing debate, reason and science, and now you're claiming that we're the ones failing to use logic and scientific reason when that's exactly the opposite of what's going on.

I've watched dozens and dozens of videos on YouTube posted by creators of a variety of political hues. Like you, I wanted to take a variety of views into account, and I have done. If you want to watch as many as I have (and I suspect Exiled has watched as many), you know where to look. This is stuff I've been watching for the past year. There is no way I am going to post dozens of clips on here as I know there is no way in hell that people on here are going to watch them, so it's entirely pointless. That being the case, it's ridiculous of you to accuse us of being selective. It's also ridiculous of you to accuse someone arguing that an extreme left group that closes down lectures and instigates violence is anti-free speech, anti-reason, anti-debate, and anti-reason of having a selective view and claiming the logical and scientific high ground for yourself.

If your entrenched view that a bunch of violent left wing extremists is beyond reproach prevents you from making your own even most basic investigations and ridiculing the suggestion of it from two other people, then fine, go ahead and believe it, but don't make out that our conclusions on a shedload of evidence are absurd when you've no intention of even bothering to google for general opinions from the other side of the pond.

Take a look at last month's Free Speech Rally in Boston organised by the Boston Free Speech Coalition It was headed by an Indian called Shiva Ayyadurai and yet groups like Antifa and BLM and others managed to promote the lie that it was a far right rally. In the end, a handful of speakers were left alone in the centre of a park with a huge police-provided cordon stopping tens of thousands of people protesting from getting anywhere near them. I don't know what bias, if any, the Boston Globe has, but perhaps you prefer to believe a newspaper instead of a raft of YouTube posters, so here's the link. Free free to look for more or feel free to leave your head firmly buried in the sand.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2017/ 08/21/free-speech-rally-minus-free-speech /vymrZBl1NLtz04oW2IBpKK/story.html

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15/09/2017 at 00:44

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 13/09/2017 at 19:51


You have swallowed this rot hook line and sinker haven't you.

By any measure the outcomes for men in our societies are worse except for pay where women make different choices and still break their careers for child birth and infant car.

Injuries at work
Mental Health
Suicide
General Health issues
Life expectancy
Risk of being a victim of violence
Custody of children
Sentencing
Health research
Reproductive rights

Etc etc

You really need to watch 'The Red Pill' movie then report back on your beliefs - think of it as an ignorance test.

It was for its maker.

The data is not on your side I'm afraid.

Patriarchy is a simpletons explanation for something they feel but can't




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15/09/2017 at 07:50

This geezer, ToP? Blimey!

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16/09/2017 at 23:18

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/09/2017 at 10:25
If there is no white privilege in the UK, how come white celebrities and politicians suffer far less online abuse for saying the same things as their counterparts, how come prison sentences are greater for the same crimes and pay scales are significantly less.

In studies, even black footballers suffer greater criticism from fans and commentators.

The UK is riddled with racist cultural values.


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because unfortunately a lot of them are only in their respective positions due to positive discrimination rather than ability.

It's really not too difficult to understand

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17/09/2017 at 09:25

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 16/09/2017 at 23:18


because unfortunately a lot of them are only in their respective positions due to positive discrimination rather than ability.

It's really not too difficult to understand


Are you talking about black boys and girls, with old money and Eton schooling, getting an unfair leg up in society? We agree again, chinky! Positive discrimination in action.

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17/09/2017 at 22:50

Discrimination in the UK has almost always and exclusively been class based before religion n race or gender. The latter are factors but in the main class prejudice trumps everything.

It's why after years of positive discrimination and neglect of the working class the data has come haunt the establishment. If you are a white working class 'chav' you are not going to do well in much and no one will give a fuck.

The Labour Front Bench with Lady Nugee and her coterie of Islington socialists are as much despising as the Eton Rifles opposite.

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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18/09/2017 at 07:45

Your prejudice against people from a class or two above you is interesting. You seem to think Labour MPs should come from "the lower ranks" or they can't be genuine. It's a lazy piece of nonsense.

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18/09/2017 at 11:45

I have faced class prejudice all my life - especially from the "first in my family to go to uni" brigade.


They don't want to know until you dress in the garb and they find out what you have done with your life - they look down on working class people from all levels - get a degree get haughty.  

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18/09/2017 at 15:38

Imagine being black, eh?

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18/09/2017 at 17:35

Quote Quote by candw on 18/09/2017 at 15:38
Imagine being black, eh?


Surely that would be being racist 

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18/09/2017 at 19:36

Surely that would be pathetic and childish? Your remark, I mean.

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19/09/2017 at 10:08

'Imagine' next you'll be suggesting they 'black up' to help with their imagination, your passive racism is disgusting 

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19/09/2017 at 12:06

LOL, chinky. You're a card. I was replying to a fatuous remark from our resident multimillionaire about all the the prejudice he suffered for being working class white. Yes, really!

Your aggressive racism is disgusting.

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Quote Quote by candw on 19/09/2017 at 12:06
LOL, chinky. You're a card. I was replying to a fatuous remark from our resident multimillionaire about all the the prejudice he suffered for being working class white. Yes, really!

Your aggressive racism is disgusting.


So now you want to deny me my lived experience?  

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19/09/2017 at 15:02

I'm suggesting that your lived existence, compared with a Black or Asian, in our society has been cushy in comparison.

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