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07/09/2017 at 11:01

Worth watching.

ALL white, hetero, cisgendered males, ARE racist, homophobic, mysoginists - apparently

Me and TOP told you this madness was coming over the Atlantic

Welcome to la la land

https://youtu.be/BAvFAm1eJEQ

Remember if you aren't dismantling the white privilege patriarchy you ARE a racist, homophobic, woman hating bigot  

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07/09/2017 at 11:22

Since I've been alive, nonsense has been crossing the Atlantic. I've managed to ignore most, attack some and embrace rock 'n' roll. Same with this. It's all engendered to keep people's minds off the iniquities of capitalism.

You and ToP, eh? There's a dual act I failed to predict!

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10/09/2017 at 23:02

The handy thing with being a white male and "therefore" intrinsically racist and sexist is it removes the need to bother to try to "improve". 

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11/09/2017 at 05:36

For someone who has repeatedly written that what is actually said should not be twisted, you're now doing a good job of putting your fingers in your ears and saying la la la.

No-one worth paying attention to has said all white males are intrinsically racist. They have said that white people are effectively racist because the system that we live in has been built on racist values and a structure exists that ultimately privileges whites. How is this such a hard concept to accept.

Our teaching up to the 90s fundamentally told us that the empire was a good thing, civilising the masses, despite that the UK disproportionately benefited from it and the likes of India saw their economy shrink and then stagnate for nearly a century. The empire was possible because the civil servants and merchants who worked in it were under the belief that they were superior to the colonies and so on... As British culture is so tied in to the Empire, then clearly these values have been passed on.

The white privilege thing is that yes, a white person can be homeless, poor or a criminal like a person of colour, but the structures in place mean that automatically it is easier for a white to get help, official representation or taken seriously because of what I wrote in the last paragraph.

It's fine to disagree with the concepts, but there's no need to twist it as you have.


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11/09/2017 at 09:18

That's utter fucking bullshit and just risible thinking from someone old enough to know better.

How long do working class white boys for example have to feel guilty about this? Are you seriously suggesting that in 2017 it's our fault that some of these places are still tearing fuck out of each other and squabbling of an abundance of natural resources because of what we did hundred years ago.

Easier to get help?

You can't have been involved in any practical work to get such help for white working class people.

If 'privilege is a thing' then what about Chinese privilege or Asian privilege?

They do way better than white working class people on almost every indicator.

This whole group identity thing is what will precipitate a lurch to the right and we know from history that taken too far it's murderous in huge numbers. I for one am not having the white privilege shit - having been homeless at 16 - and been part of the first generation that experienced positive discrimination, as well as academic discrimination - when we were told you had to now have a degree - in order to progress in my work sector.

It's the thing I hate about certain sections of British culture this constant hand-ringing about the past as if we will have to atone forever. Tell me when will the atonement stop? Who else who colonised in the past thinks like this?

What the mental prison term for this group crime of our ancestors?

Fucking White Privilege - A phrase that gained fashion when we had a mixed race President of the USA - you couldn't fucking make it up.

In the UK there is no white privilege it's almost all a class thing if anything.



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11/09/2017 at 10:25

If there is no white privilege in the UK, how come white celebrities and politicians suffer far less online abuse for saying the same things as their counterparts, how come prison sentences are greater for the same crimes and pay scales are significantly less.

In studies, even black footballers suffer greater criticism from fans and commentators.

The UK is riddled with racist cultural values.


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11/09/2017 at 11:58

How long do working class white boys for example have to feel guilty about this?

Rest easy, little buddy, White Privilege means that WC White Boyz DON'T DO GUILT!

And it's not talking about the Empire and how we were then, but the mindset that scored us an Empire continuing today. Tough concept for a bloke like you.

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11/09/2017 at 12:32

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/09/2017 at 10:25
If there is no white privilege in the UK, how come white celebrities and politicians suffer far less online abuse for saying the same things as their counterparts, how come prison sentences are greater for the same crimes and pay scales are significantly less.
LINK?
In studies, even black footballers suffer greater criticism from fans and commentators.
LINK?
The UK is riddled with racist cultural values.
Examples....
ESSEX GULL


Meanwhile here is some American data to be going on with....

https://youtu.be/AoHAG9UFaKI

You probably believe in 'male privilege' too.  

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11/09/2017 at 13:02

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/09/2017 at 05:36
For someone who has repeatedly written that what is actually said should not be twisted, you're now doing a good job of putting your fingers in your ears and saying la la la.

No-one worth paying attention to has said all white males are intrinsically racist. They have said that white people are effectively racist because the system that we live in has been built on racist values and a structure exists that ultimately privileges whites. How is this such a hard concept to accept.

Our teaching up to the 90s fundamentally told us that the empire was a good thing, civilising the masses, despite that the UK disproportionately benefited from it and the likes of India saw their economy shrink and then stagnate for nearly a century. The empire was possible because the civil servants and merchants who worked in it were under the belief that they were superior to the colonies and so on... As British culture is so tied in to the Empire, then clearly these values have been passed on.

The white privilege thing is that yes, a white person can be homeless, poor or a criminal like a person of colour, but the structures in place mean that automatically it is easier for a white to get help, official representation or taken seriously because of what I wrote in the last paragraph.

It's fine to disagree with the concepts, but there's no need to twist it as you have.


ESSEX GULL


Nobody on here has said it, but I can find you any number of loonies who think it and have said it. 

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11/09/2017 at 13:16

You probably believe in 'male privilege' too.

Not at all. Just look at the salaries on offer around the place. (PS Don't check on the Marxists and their teaching, doctoring etc jobs!)

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11/09/2017 at 14:17

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 11/09/2017 at 12:32




You probably believe in 'male privilege' too.


It certainly exists in the UK.

Just scroll through the bile directed towards women politicians online.

Women get sent to prison for not paying tv licenses and shoplifting to feed their families in the UK. Many millionaire males destroy businesses and banking structures, yet go unpunished. What is this if not male privilege.

Go compare...


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11/09/2017 at 20:21

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/09/2017 at 14:17


It certainly exists in the UK.

Just scroll through the bile directed towards women politicians online.

Women get sent to prison for not paying tv licenses and shoplifting to feed their families in the UK. Many millionaire males destroy businesses and banking structures, yet go unpunished. What is this if not male privilege.

Go compare...


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At least half the bile directed towards women online comes from women. 

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13/09/2017 at 19:51

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/09/2017 at 14:17


It certainly exists in the UK.

Just scroll through the bile directed towards women politicians online.

Women get sent to prison for not paying tv licenses and shoplifting to feed their families in the UK. Many millionaire males destroy businesses and banking structures, yet go unpunished. What is this if not male privilege.

Go compare...


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You have swallowed this rot hook line and sinker haven't you.

By any measure the outcomes for men in our societies are worse except for pay where women make different choices and still break their careers for child birth and infant car.

Injuries at work
Mental Health
Suicide
General Health issues
Life expectancy
Risk of being a victim of violence
Custody of children
Sentencing
Health research
Reproductive rights

Etc etc

You really need to watch 'The Red Pill' movie then report back on your beliefs - think of it as an ignorance test.

It was for its maker.

The data is not on your side I'm afraid.

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13/09/2017 at 20:40

No, I just don't see myself as a victim. I accept that being born white, male and British has given me a huge advantage in life.

I don't watch any of those films, that you and TOP link nowadays, as they're entirely one-sided and report only what confirms their point, so I can't take it seriously. I'm of a science and logic background, so know that there's arguments for and against in the vast majority of cases and don't trust just hearing one side of the argument. I only trust documentaries that allow the viewer to make up their own mind and present evidence fairly.


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13/09/2017 at 21:25

I suggested the red-pill for precisely the quest you seek. The film was made by a feminist looking for a hate movement and she found something else when presented with data.

I can't speak for Top but I link to these pieces precisely because they are a counter to some of the prevailing 'blind' orthodoxy that takes the place of free thought these days.

Free enquiry, Free thought, Free speech you can't practice any of those with any real conviction unless you have sought a broad set of views. We saw from the political compass readings on here that we are pretty much of the left libertarian tradition - we could do with some balance every now and again to avoid the group think you fear.  

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