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14/09/2017 at 19:56

Quote Quote by candw on 14/09/2017 at 19:35
Fucking hell, ToP, the "alt right" have certainly got to you in a big way. Still, there's no racism in America and the only real danger is from the antifa. The Whites? They still run America as they have always done, but that's not privilege of any sort.


Off the scale exaggeration. You, on the other hand, believe that all 52% that voted Brexit did so purely and solely on the grounds of racism. 

>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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14/09/2017 at 21:39

Xenophobia and rank stupidity played their parts. 

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14/09/2017 at 22:30

Quote Quote by candw on 14/09/2017 at 21:39
Xenophobia and rank stupidity played their parts.


No doubt, but then most people have lower IQs than yours* and mine and it took me weeks of wavering before I decided to vote Remain, but I believe that many that voted out had genuine concerns that don't come under the headings of xenophobia, racism, and rank stupidity, whereas you condemn 52% for disagreeing while dismissing their reasons out of hand. Traits that nowadays are labelled as racism and xenophobia had evolutionary advantages and it's not necessarily easy for all people to overcome those inherent tendencies. There have been people of some kind for a few hundred thousand years, and it's only as recently as the last few millennia that they've been shoe-horned into global or even national communities.

* on top of that, you will investigate to the Nth degree, while most people can't/won't or don't share your interest in political history. 

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>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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15/09/2017 at 05:18

How do you/we know though?

Decades of portraying immigration as bad, rather than badly managed, by the media in the main - who can't have been influenced and voted with this in mind?

Government policy rather than the people/process to blame - highest levels of immigration ever under May, yet the government clung on to stay in power, due to widely promoted fears of Corbyn.

The UK voted away the benefits of the EU, yet kept in the government that encourages the bad things. You quite simply can't trust the general public with voting.



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15/09/2017 at 07:59

* on top of that, you will investigate to the Nth degree, while most people can't/won't or don't share your interest in political history.

I'm afraid that a lot of the investigation I did was to look at the vocal leading Brexiteers and decided they were a group I had no desire to join.

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17/09/2017 at 23:13

So you voted on personality not issues yet you scolded the trump crowd for doing the same?

How did you feel about the actual arguments - were you reform from within type?  

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18/09/2017 at 07:53

My comment was a joke, but with truth in it. I was against leaving for my own reasons, but had I wavered the other way I'd have quickly been brought to my senses by the likes of Gove, Johnson, Redwood etc for my own reasons.

Are you pleased we will have our own currency, our own border control, our own laws? Or do you realise we always had them and you were being silly? Are you still hoping we may have free trade agreements with the 27 and some 100 other countries - if we can negotiate the agreements that we already have as a member of the EU?

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18/09/2017 at 11:10

So your reasons where?

TTIP?
That amazing leader Claude Junckers?

I am very happy that the British People said enough is enough. There was no one who was happy with Europe even he Remoaners were all agreed it needed reforming. My view after a lot of research study and personal experience was let them get on with it...

We trade with the world and I have never got the Love Europe / Hate America thing.

Having direct experience EU work is a complete lock-in for big business and bureaucrats. Millions and millions of Euro's being dished out and re-distributed for the long term political aim of superstate. Given your stance on the US of A I can't imagine why you would want a US of E.

Especially one as undemocratic as Corbz says it is.

I also know that our fudging polticians both here and in Europe will weasel a variety of deals that make no difference for the well healed, big business and vested interests that will change very little.  

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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18/09/2017 at 11:35

There are so many non sequiturs in that I will have to 1 take some time to study it or 2 give up.  

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