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10/09/2017 at 17:06

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 10/09/2017 at 16:29


It's authoritarian (or worse), but it's not the entirity of the authoritarian left.
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Like I said, according to you I'm part of that authoritarian left. 

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10/09/2017 at 22:36

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 10/09/2017 at 17:06
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Like I said, according to you I'm part of that authoritarian left.


Well, if it helps, you normally sound reasonable and informed. There's a selection of nutters with extreme left views that, as I mentioned earlier, don't believe in free speech, logic, debate, science, etc, etc. I have fewer problems with those that believe in those things. 

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11/09/2017 at 09:01

Quote Quote by candw on 10/09/2017 at 15:56
You're being silly, as usual. And no I don't. Apartheid South Africa didn't pretend not to be racist.


I asked my son and his friends about this they couldn't contextualise the time factor. Most thought he should lose his job over it. This is the new reality trial by social media - it seems to be the only thing Orwell didn't predict.

America in my experience is far less racist than most of Europe but then again I have been to these places and worked there.

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11/09/2017 at 13:45



>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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11/09/2017 at 17:19

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What a load of crap.

John Stuart Mill wrote On Liberty in an attempt to change 1850s Britain.

It seems supporting the Democratic Party is a badge of being on the extreme left.

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11/09/2017 at 18:21

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 11/09/2017 at 13:45




What a load of crap.

John Stuart Mill wrote On Liberty in an attempt to change 1850s Britain.

It seems supporting the Democratic Party is a badge of being on the extreme left.

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11/09/2017 at 21:00



>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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11/09/2017 at 22:51

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Another 20 minutes wasted.

I see he's prepared to put limits on free speech when it suits him. He didn't defend the right of those mourning the death of Nasser or those he went to school with to free speech.

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11/09/2017 at 22:56

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 10/09/2017 at 22:36


Well, if it helps, you normally sound reasonable and informed.


Then again... 

>>>>> 12th season in exile <<<<< 

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11/09/2017 at 23:05

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Then again...


Do you agree that he places a limit on free speech? If you do then the discussion is not about free speech, but where you place the limits. Therefore there is no real intellectual difference between him and the people he's criticising.

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11/09/2017 at 23:54

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 11/09/2017 at 22:51


Another 20 minutes wasted.

I see he's prepared to put limits on free speech when it suits him. He didn't defend the right of those mourning the death of Nasser or those he went to school with to free speech.



Nor did he say they shouldn't have had the right to say what they said. Either way, the level of threat a Jew might feel in an Arab country can hardly be compared with the level of threat people in Canada feel. Well, not yet, but give it time. 

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12/09/2017 at 07:33

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 11/09/2017 at 23:54


Nor did he say they shouldn't have had the right to say what they said. Either way, the level of threat a Jew might feel in an Arab country can hardly be compared with the level of threat people in Canada feel. Well, not yet, but give it time.


Yes he did, towards the end he explicitly excluded it. 

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12/09/2017 at 13:50

You'll have to be more specific. I played the last few minutes and didn't hear whatever you're referring to. 

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12/09/2017 at 16:59

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 12/09/2017 at 13:50
You'll have to be more specific. I played the last few minutes and didn't hear whatever you're referring to.


From 19 minutes 20 seconds.  

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12/09/2017 at 18:38

That it? Those are illegal in most western countries. 

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