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13/07/2017 at 21:33

Bloody hell, I was robbed. I think they stopped making those cars in 1959, so mine was at least 9 when I bought it in 1968. I think I remember 3 gallons of petrol cost a quid.

I bought a motorbike in 1959 for £8 and sold it for £5. It was a 500 cc solid frame AJS and was an ex-Army dispatch bike.

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 13/07/2017 at 14:54


The house was a two bedroom bungalow. It was bought for £7,000, with a deposit of £700. We could only borrow 3 times our income and it was close to our borrowing limit. It was furnished second hand, mostly begged from our families. I was married and our total income was less than £4,000. Come to think of it, our income may have been closer to £2,500. We hadn't had an holiday never mind a foreign one. We'd saved for the deposit and legal fees for over a year. 2 and half years later we sold it for a profit and moved back to Hull were we did the same.

We gout our first car 2 or 3 years after moving back to Hull. It was a viva that cost £100.


that's the point I was trying to make it was a struggle then and its a struggle now, but expectations, and wastefulness are at an all time high. I know each generation should hope / expect to be better off than their parents but the argument seems to be focused just on housing and conveniently ignores all the things young uns do and have today compared to even the last generation. A 20 something nowadays wouldn't be seen dead in my first 2 or 3 motors in terms of relative value / age / condition 

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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13/07/2017 at 21:40

Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/07/2017 at 15:41
First car - Vauxhall Astra £1700 when I was 18, bought from a small inheritance I received - a total waste of money as car was scrapped 9 months later. That is the most painful financial loss I have experienced in my life as the money behind it was 'personal' and so I felt guilty for not investing it wisely as the old girl who bequeathed it to me had lived a spartan life.
First house was a flat bought when I was 25 - £280k, £70k deposit, rest mortgage. It actually 'lost' value for the first three to five years after I bought it, then trebled in value over the next 15 years. Thoroughly ridiculous market move that comes with the population of an island increasing by 6 million.
My first job out of university, I began on a £32k salary - 28 years later now, for the equivalent position, a new graduate has to work approximately 6 months for free in New York or London to be accepted into the role and the eventual salary if a job offer is made isn't that much higher than what I received, so it's borderline impossible for a working class student, without supportive family or the ability to scam a loan from a bank manager, to survive. When I went for my interviews, every other candidate was English, now they're competing with students from the global market.

I am in no doubt that I had it much easier than my children. Not sure why any of us would deny it.



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I'm certainly not denying it just offering a bit of balance, and challenging Obi's assertion that it's all down to the increase wealth inequality, yes that's one factor but there are many others that I believe have had a greater impact 

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13/07/2017 at 22:02

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 13/07/2017 at 21:35


that's the point I was trying to make it was a struggle then and its a struggle now, but expectations, and wastefulness are at an all time high. I know each generation should hope / expect to be better off than their parents but the argument seems to be focused just on housing and conveniently ignores all the things young uns do and have today compared to even the last generation. A 20 something nowadays wouldn't be seen dead in my first 2 or 3 motors in terms of relative value / age / condition


If you don't think you can afford an house and still live with your parents you will have a lot of disposable income. I think they should do something about it but for many its far more comfortable to stay at home, get your washing done and have a nice car. But for those that do want to get a home of their own its far harder than it was for me. 

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14/07/2017 at 15:32

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 13/07/2017 at 21:40


I'm certainly not denying it just offering a bit of balance, and challenging Obi's assertion that it's all down to the increase wealth inequality, yes that's one factor but there are many others that I believe have had a greater impact


That's fair enough. The pulling up of the drawbridge is, however, a huge factor. It looks like many of today's children will be paying directly towards their own healthcare, whilst subsidising their grandparents' on the NHS, so it continues.


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15/07/2017 at 11:36

agreed but for balance, again, they wont have to endure 6 years paid holiday (39-45) that some of their grandparents did, or after that compulsory national service, or wear themselves out physically walking cycling to work doing hard, dirty and often dangerous work like their grandparents. They wont have to suffer outside loos, and when their kids come along they'll enjoy maternity and paternity benefits their grandparents could have only dreamed of. FFS the can even change sex on the NHS let alone sort their boobs out! 

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15/07/2017 at 12:48

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 15/07/2017 at 11:36
agreed but for balance, again, they wont have to endure 6 years paid holiday (39-45) that some of their grandparents did, or after that compulsory national service, or wear themselves out physically walking cycling to work doing hard, dirty and often dangerous work like their grandparents. They wont have to suffer outside loos, and when their kids come along they'll enjoy maternity and paternity benefits their grandparents could have only dreamed of. FFS the can even change sex on the NHS let alone sort their boobs out!


I don't think there is much difference between the way we have lived our lives or our attitudes to working for what you get.

I think walking or cycling to work is good for you as long as the air is clean and the motorist considerate. With the number of cycle lanes in Hull I don't think there's any real excuse not to cycle.

There will always be dangerous jobs as we've seen in the past couple of months. Some because of the employer, some because of the nature of the job.

Blair and Brown's expansion of tax credits keeps wages low. Tax benefits for 20 years and then 25 years without. Our grandparents had to be paid a wage to keep a family and kept that wage when the family had grown up and left the nest. So its swings and roundabouts.

Getting rid of outside loos is a small achievement given the waste increase in wealth over the past 150 years. 

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15/07/2017 at 20:08

It's simply ridiculous to compare without asking why somethings and parts of our economy are infinitely better than our parents generation and will be even better for the next - TV's
Our rediffusion set that my dad rented would only run reliably for a few months and the TV repair man was on first name terms.
My first TV was Japanese so reliable but it took up more floor space than an armchair - I thought I was living large with a 32" stereo TV.
My kids have one in each room that's massive and plays photorealistic computer games etc.

In many many areas of our life we get better stuff, earlier and cheaper in real terms.

The real difficult questions should be why other areas like access to a doctor or how long it takes to legally move house has hardly changed at all...

Got nowt to do with technology or automation.  

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15/07/2017 at 20:54

So making electrical shit is easy. Human things are more complicated. It's not hard to understand.

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16/07/2017 at 10:52

No those things subject to fair competition and customer choice get better those that aren't don't - simple

Wanna move house?

Sorry the law society says I need to charge this... 

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16/07/2017 at 11:24

I look forward to the time we have two competing parliaments, then they'll up their game.

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16/07/2017 at 11:55


Isn't that the EU and the UK ? 

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16/07/2017 at 13:57

No. And policing isn't like making drones.

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16/07/2017 at 16:06

Actually it is when it takes 132 steps to analyse SOC forensics and it can be done in ten....

It shows that loads and loads of improvements can be done if only there is the will to do it and not whinge for extra staff to do all the waste instead.

You continue to argue like king Canute in the face of overwhelming data. your flat earth thinking is exactly why our UK productivity sucks.

If a police person spends 2/3rds of his / her time doing non-value-added work then we could easily double their productivity... which means them being out on the beat more and addressing some serious stuff like 'knife crime'  

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16/07/2017 at 17:05

You would seemingly be happy with fewer safeguards, even if it may mean an innocent person being guilty, just to process more samples in a given time.

Non value added work is making sure everything is done properly and legally. No ripping pages out of note books, no re-writes to make the story 'better', everything checked and double checked to make sure someone isn't fitted up.

Arrests per minute is not a way to properly measure the success of the police.

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