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exiled CITY AFC

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06/07/2017 at 07:41

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-405065 70

Let's see if any politician has a clue what to do... 

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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06/07/2017 at 07:50

I have been telling you that for ages, exiled. I was unpatriotic to have written such things when Osborne's Economic Miracle was happening and your extolling the amazing employment figures. Part of it is to do with firms paying wages that the government then has to top up so people can just about live. Why would they change their methods?

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06/07/2017 at 07:59

'Worst decade for UK productivity since Napoleon'

Not since the times of George III, Napoleon and war with America has the UK suffered such a long period of low productivity.

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06/07/2017 at 09:39

British businesses and public services are reluctant to invest in automaton and prefer to employ layers of office management, who essentially add little to productivity. Hence why a German factory produces the same amount of product with 400 staff as a UK one does with 500 staff...

Management is not taken seriously in the UK historically and not enough in the public and private sector are asked to justify the purpose of their jobs. Properly used computer software can probably do the jobs of 50% of office teams now. It used to amaze me when I saw relatively small companies that had large accounts teams, that if working productively could have managed a multinational.


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06/07/2017 at 09:43

Part of it is also due to the raise in self employment and therefore the lack of 'transparency' over the cost of goods and services provided and the resultant tax receipts (yes I also pay cash in hand whenever I can)

Part of it is the number of immigrants and their families who come to the UK and only contribute minimal wealth generation to cover the most basic of living costs for their extended families (with top ups delivered by criminality)

Part of it is that we still have too many 'demotivated' employees that are too willing to remain seated for year after year in their current job and moan that they should be getting larger pay rises, for erm basically contributing the bare minimum

Part of it is that we still have a society in which too many cunts hate entrepreneurial types who create wealth thinking instead that all wealth should be shared out evenly

At least 3 of the 4 being contributors to our current budget deficit 

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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06/07/2017 at 09:48

Workers create wealth. End.

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06/07/2017 at 09:52

Quote Quote by candw on 06/07/2017 at 07:50
I have been telling you that for ages, exiled. I was unpatriotic to have written such things when Osborne's Economic Miracle was happening and your extolling the amazing employment figures. Part of it is to do with firms paying wages that the government then has to top up so people can just about live. Why would they change their methods?



Germany, France, Italy etc all have lower minimum wages than the UK, so wages can't just be blamed in isolation.

Shift in economy, too many poor quality businesses, high levels of low educated migration, inequality, mediocre middle management, poor business culture, reluctance to embrace change etc. It's a huge topic and has been for decades.

Huge structural problems in the UK economy - millionaire fruit farmers in Kent who get half their income from EU subsidies and the other half from paying cash in hand to Bulgarian seasonal workers... why would they invest in machinery? If it all goes tits up, they're sat on a huge amount of land on an island with the government desperate to build houses for a hugely increasing population... a no-lose job..



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06/07/2017 at 10:00

Agree with what you say Gull but manufacturing for eg is such a small piece of the cake it;s not so relevant now.

We have record levels of employment but unfortunately too many of them are sat there 'stagnating' waiting for someone else to come and show them how to 'move on' as it's much more comfortable to sit and moan about their lot.

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06/07/2017 at 11:12

Quote Quote by candw on 06/07/2017 at 09:48
Workers create wealth. End.


Not if they are doing non-value-adding work they don't - with this being 1/3rd of the workforce for example in the health sector they are actually a lead anchor dragging the economy down. Your Sesame Street level proclamations might work with impressionnable students but not here.

Does the person standing at the end of the 'snake' telling you what till to go to add value? Hint - NO they actually destroy it.
Do the road workers who close miles of motorway to work on hundred yards of it improve the UK's productivity? - Hint NO 

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06/07/2017 at 11:43

Do the road workers who close miles of motorway to work on hundred yards of it improve the UK's productivity? - Hint NO

You believe they should just carry on working without closing the road? Or do you expect 3 lanes to be able to filter into 1/2 lanes at the point of work? Or have people decided that giving everyone plenty of warning works better?

Not if they are doing non-value-adding work they don't -

The workers' job is to do what they are expected to do. It's up to management to ensure efficient use of labour. That's why managers get huge money compared to workers. For keeping a peaceful country it is the government's job to ensure that enough decent jobs are available for the workforce.  

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06/07/2017 at 11:47

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 06/07/2017 at 09:43
Part of it is also due to the raise in self employment and therefore the lack of 'transparency' over the cost of goods and services provided and the resultant tax receipts (yes I also pay cash in hand whenever I can)

Part of it is the number of immigrants and their families who come to the UK and only contribute minimal wealth generation to cover the most basic of living costs for their extended families (with top ups delivered by criminality)

Part of it is that we still have too many 'demotivated' employees that are too willing to remain seated for year after year in their current job and moan that they should be getting larger pay rises, for erm basically contributing the bare minimum

Part of it is that we still have a society in which too many cunts hate entrepreneurial types who create wealth thinking instead that all wealth should be shared out evenly

At least 3 of the 4 being contributors to our current budget deficit


Thank fuck you posted that! I was beginning to worry there was more to it than that, but immigrants and lazy workers really are responsible for our productivity being so far below France's productivity. They sensibly had few immigrants and all French workers are well motivated. France just lurves entrepreneurs, too.
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