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04/07/2017 at 16:57

1) there is some scripture based 'justification' for their actions specifically around (polygamy, the status of Kuffir women, the example of the prophet, the age of consent etc.)

There are always justifications to be found, as your jihadis do with their holy book. There are many who do not shag young girls or explode. They did it because they were evil bastards and the victims were around by the dozen and cheap in bulk.

2) the authorities - principally the police and social workers - deemed the nature of the crime just too sensitive in the context of multi-culturalism

They failed. Copped out. Multiculturalism didn't say - doesn't say - that Muslims could commit any crime they liked without penalty. Remember, it's middle class white women who won't use the word 'blackboard'.

3) there was no attempt to investigate underage girls having sex as a crime

Isn't that what we are talking about? If they wouldn't investigate violence, rape and trafficking girls they wouldn't investigate underage sex in isolation.

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05/07/2017 at 09:38

Quote Quote by candw on 04/07/2017 at 16:57

They failed. Copped out. Multiculturalism didn't say - doesn't say - that Muslims could commit any crime they liked without penalty. Remember, it's middle class white women who won't use the word 'blackboard'.


This is how I know I am talking with an ideolog not an fully formed adult.

It was EXACTLY multiculturalism IN PRACTICE that caused this issue, caused the influx of the perpetrators (direct cause) caused the language to change and offence to a community became more important than the victims of crime. (Secondary cause) These middle class women (who are working in a job so are working class) you referee to are exactly the ones in the social services who didn't speak out for fear of getting caught up in their own silly PC rules. The Times journalist did virtually the same when he buried the story for years. (More secondary causes). The continuing refusal to treat it as a phenomenon in its own right and play the equivalency game with other forms of child abuse (tertiary cause).

The young white and Sikh girls of course could be relied upon to call a spade a spade but like the middle class professionals on this board they aren't listened to. I imagine if you were their teacher what the response would have been when they said "sir I am being raped and passed around this gang of paki's in town. That's exactly the language they used and got them the response they didn't get.

You own poltical correctness is so ingrained you would rather draw a parallel to foster inaction than ever discuss a problem. 

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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05/07/2017 at 11:38

I really don't find many of your verbose posts to be very intelligent, despite their length. Political correctness id one of those things that happen for right reasons that then grew, despite evidence that it had gone too far in its interpretation. ANYBODY who knew of wrongdoing but didn't speak out was guilty of liberalism; in this case adherence to a broken version of PC.

You are right, you don't listen to middle class professionals on this board. You continue to peddle your "correct as I see it" version. Thank you for telling one that dodgy girls use bad language. I'd never have known. A middle class professional who expected girls to talk like Princess Diana should never have been in the job of working with damaged kids. They were often not listened to because, after being found and cleaned up and returned home, were back out again the following night.

As for my ingrained political correctness - what a cunt! Mao wrote a very apposite tract about combating liberalism. He had the problem under discussion sussed ages ago.

Combat Liberalism - Mao

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05/07/2017 at 12:33

'Dodgy girls'

Who are they then?  

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05/07/2017 at 13:12

Girls from dodgy families. Girls from broken homes whose mum had lost control. Girls removed from abusive or druggie families. Girls who have rebelled and been taken into care. Girls who have no respect for authority and do drugs or drink. Girls who hang about with dodgy youths, who use them for sex.

There are many and they were all born innocent and sweet. Nurture, eh?

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05/07/2017 at 17:42

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 05/07/2017 at 09:38


This is how I know I am talking with an ideolog not an fully formed adult.

It was EXACTLY multiculturalism IN PRACTICE that caused this issue, caused the influx of the perpetrators (direct cause) caused the language to change and offence to a community became more important than the victims of crime. (Secondary cause) These middle class women (who are working in a job so are working class) you referee to are exactly the ones in the social services who didn't speak out for fear of getting caught up in their own silly PC rules. The Times journalist did virtually the same when he buried the story for years. (More secondary causes). The continuing refusal to treat it as a phenomenon in its own right and play the equivalency game with other forms of child abuse (tertiary cause).

The young white and Sikh girls of course could be relied upon to call a spade a spade but like the middle class professionals on this board they aren't listened to. I imagine if you were their teacher what the response would have been when they said "sir I am being raped and passed around this gang of paki's in town. That's exactly the language they used and got them the response they didn't get.

You own poltical correctness is so ingrained you would rather draw a parallel to foster inaction than ever discuss a problem.


Why did it take the death of Jimmy Saville to bring out the truth?

What about Kincora?

What about Colin Inglis? Why did the police wait until they had a "respectable" witness before bringing charges?

How long were stories doing the rounds about St Wiiliams before anything was done?

What about abuse within the Catholic Church? Not to leave them out how about the Church of England?

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05/07/2017 at 18:04

It would indicate that it's a problem with male culture across the board.


ESSEX GULL 

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05/07/2017 at 18:27

The same with FGM. A way for males to control the sex of their females. And you get people on here who decry feminism.

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05/07/2017 at 20:02

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who thinks Jimmy Hills going to be investigated next 

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05/07/2017 at 21:13

The small moustache that was barely noticeable! LOL! Picasso was moonlighting for the police i my opinion.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2012/11/27/21/pg-34-photofit.jpg

Genuine photofit and arrested felon photo. Yes, the Yankee cops got their man!

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Quote Quote by Obadiah on 05/07/2017 at 17:42


Why did it take the death of Jimmy Saville to bring out the truth?

What about Kincora?

What about Colin Inglis? Why did the police wait until they had a "respectable" witness before bringing charges?

How long were stories doing the rounds about St Wiiliams before anything was done?

What about abuse within the Catholic Church? Not to leave them out how about the Church of England?



Obi we agree on this - we have added a new stream of offending so the situation has got worse. Even today they are now looking for digital 'special' constables to snare the 100,000 uk citizens downloading peado images and on-line groomers....

No one is suggesting this hasn't happened before but this is a new strain of this disease - should we do nowt?  

Let it never be said that I was silent when they needed me - William Wilberforce 

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07/07/2017 at 07:55

No one is suggesting this hasn't happened before but this is a new strain of this disease - should we do nowt?

No. We should do what we didn't do; charge people breaking the law with their crimes and then punish them. The threats and violence should also be taken into account.

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07/07/2017 at 13:18

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 06/07/2017 at 11:50



No one is suggesting this hasn't happened before but this is a new strain of this disease - should we do nowt?


We can debate whether its a new strain or not. I suspect its just a quicker way of circulating child porn and identifying potential victims.

Should we train and employ more social workers?

Should we increase their pay?

What is the turnover of social workers dealing with sexual abuse of children?

How many social workers have been cut?

How many have taken early retirement or redundancy?

What has happened to their workloads over the past 10 years?

How do you protect their mental health?

How do you stop them grading how serious they think the sexual abuse is? Even if the grading is sub-conscious.

What about the police? The same applies.

Then add in training for teachers and other professionals that come into contact with children?

Whoops, something went wrong in Middlesbrough which set back investigations in sexual abuse.

Then there is removing the barriers that stop children who have been sexually abused being believed. Add in the further barriers that seems to have given the benefit of the doubt to the Churches and other members of the establishment the benefit of the doubt.

Did Theresa May's Home Office lose those documents on historical child sexual abuse on purpose?

Why is the enquiry into historical child sexual abuse bogged down in the long grass? Who does that benefit? Certainly not those young men and women who put their trust in the enquiry.

There is plenty you can do. First identify the problem. Then look at the resources available to tackle the problem. Then look at the vested interests that want to stop anything serious being done. Then look at protecting those responsible for investigating the problem, both financially and by looking after their physical and mental health.


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07/07/2017 at 14:10

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someone's been covering it up for years 

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07/07/2017 at 14:45

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 07/07/2017 at 14:10
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someone's been covering it up for years


What did John Mann do about it after reporting it to the police in 1988? The police buried his compliant within months. Why didn't he go to the press then?

He was a Councillor in Lambwath between 1986 and 1990 before being elected an MP in 2001.On becoming an MP he could have used parliament to demand a full investigation and an explanation as to why the police didn't act. He could even have named names. 

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