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04/07/2017 at 00:17

Even though you know the stories and just how widespread the phenomenon is now understood to be (at the latest count) still it is shocking.

That it was poltical correctness that allowed the normalisation of this for years before any real action was taken is sickening.

As ever the 'far right' were shamed for daring to respond to in-action of the establishment, whilst the journo who sat on the story for years because of his own politics got a big award for the 'bravery' of telling the truth - albeit too late.

The overwhelming feeling I got was about the deafness shown to working class voices - both the victims - and those like the EDL who spoke out and shouted for people to do something...

Political correctness has been a social cancer that created the conditions for these evil specimens to believe as the ring leader in Rochdale said " your society has abandoned these kids, is there any wonder they come to us?"

Imagine if it had happened on university campuses - would have been stopped in a heartbeat.  

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04/07/2017 at 08:22

Sexual abuse happens in all walks of life, including on University campuses.

How white middle England dealt with the sexual abuse of children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40457123

The enquiry into the historic sex abuse of children now seems to be in the long grass. Surprised?

Have the EDL said anything about the sexual abuse of kids by the establishment? Genuine question. 

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04/07/2017 at 08:27

Imagine if it had happened on university campuses - would have been stopped in a heartbeat.

Vulnerable 20 year old 'girls' with 3 A Levels are at slightly less risk than 'those girls'. A better analogy would be Roedean Prep School. And that would be a stupid analogy as the girls are 'looked after' or at least 'watched'.

There are always cover ups.

Sometimes there's just too much to cover.

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04/07/2017 at 08:57

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 04/07/2017 at 08:22
Sexual abuse happens in all walks of life, including on University campuses.

How white middle England dealt with the sexual abuse of children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40457123

The enquiry into the historic sex abuse of children now seems to be in the long grass. Surprised?

Have the EDL said anything about the sexual abuse of kids by the establishment? Genuine question.


The EDL was founded to give a voice to what was happening in specific neighbourhoods of the members who founded it I wouldn't expect them to say anything about the abuse of kids by the establishment or campaign on issues outside their focus of pressure. They were stimulated into action by Muslim grooming gangs and extreme Islamist protests that were already on our streets. They have since proved to be the canary in the mine.

Cover-ups just seem to be the MO of the British establishment. Hilsborough, Rochdale every northern town with systematic Muslim grooming, ....the list goes on

Only two people whose job it is to do something came out I any dignity

BTW Systematic sexual abuse does not happen in all walks of life at all Obi - far from it - most of it used to be in the home with people the victim knows. Catholic abuse in the UK happened in a handful of diocese. With this phenomenon we were told it will easily be at least 100,000 victims. To put it into perspective that is around the same number of people living with HIV in the UK. For that the publicity was pretty quick coming and our kids were warned in no uncertain terms of the danger.  

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04/07/2017 at 09:49

Wasn't the EDL the latest in a long line of 'anti Paki' groups, following on from 'anti coon' groups that have dropped off somewhat? Most sexual abuse of girls is still in the home, with dads, step dads, older brothers being the predators.Or in the neighbourhood, with young lads pressuring them to comply. Thousands of girls across the country, from various African and East European countries, are forced into prostitution with the same brutality and lack of compassion as these Rochdale girls. And millions more across the world.

Freedom of expression has a lot to answer for.

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04/07/2017 at 10:11

I have seen that story - BBC carried it yesterday

The EDL was not anti-paki it was / is anti Islam

You must be thinking of the FAR right.

How can being against a theocratic ideology be anything to do with race - you would have to be really really thick not to understand the difference - or have an agenda like the MSM and the establishment did with TR and the EDL. When he refused to work for MI5 seems to have been when the real smear stuff started.

Anyway back to the original question which no-one has answered is it time to consign political correctness to the bin?

Finding and equal and opposite outrage is not in any way enhancing the facts nor solving the problem is it?  

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04/07/2017 at 10:17

The penny still hasn't dropped with you and Obi has it.

As has been said many times before quoting another 'wrong' as some form of reasoning as to why the grooming was allowed to go on for years unchecked, and failing to accept that there was a relgious aspect to the motivation and therefore b) an absolute PC aspect to ignoring it, just demonstrates your true colours, It was others who think exactly like you that acted ( or should that be never acted) so shamefully. 

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04/07/2017 at 11:21

I have never considered it a PC cover up, just police not doing their job. And if it were Muslim men shagging Muslim girls you'd be less interested; the religious aspect is what makes you so angry because the girls were white (Christian).

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04/07/2017 at 12:08

Candy have you even looked into the religious aspect and that racial aspect? Even the establishments own enquiry said it was one of main the reason various agencies didn't act:-

'Community cohesion'
'Reporting sensitivities'
'Asian men' rather than 'Muslim Men'
'Didn't want to stoke racial tensions'

The Times reporter himself who 'broke' the story after burying it for years said it didn't fit well with his politics and was a gift to the far right - amazingly that's exactly what happened precisely because he sat on it and the BNP slid in to fill the vacuum.

If only it WERE just the police not doing their job - it was BURIED because the police were so frightened of being called and accused of being racist which is exactly what happened to Ann Cluwyd within the Labour Party.

Shameful

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04/07/2017 at 12:18

Good on Sarah Rhowbotham and the female copper.

The rest, at best Johnny come latelys, mind you still miles ahead of some on here, whom I fear will never get over the line.

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04/07/2017 at 12:55

Whatever reasons were given, exiled, by whoever made the excuse, it was a gross neglect of duty. If it were for fear of being called racist then what cowards they were. Mind you, the poor opinion they would have had of the girls involved would not have made them likely to push the boat out.

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04/07/2017 at 12:58

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 04/07/2017 at 12:18
Good on Sarah Rhowbotham and the female copper.

The rest, at best Johnny come latelys, mind you still miles ahead of some on here, whom I fear will never get over the line.



To be disparaged by the bloke at the front of the queue shouting Me! Me! when the hangman's job is advertised has a certain irony, I suppose.

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04/07/2017 at 12:59

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 04/07/2017 at 10:17
The penny still hasn't dropped with you and Obi has it.

As has been said many times before quoting another 'wrong' as some form of reasoning as to why the grooming was allowed to go on for years unchecked, and failing to accept that there was a relgious aspect to the motivation and therefore b) an absolute PC aspect to ignoring it, just demonstrates your true colours, It was others who think exactly like you that acted ( or should that be never acted) so shamefully.


It seems the penny has finally dropped for you. Working class girls and boys have been sexually abused for decades and fuck all has been done about it. The reason is simple, the abusers where usually white middle and upper class men. When its done by a group of Muslims you finally wake up and take notice.

The police saw the girls has trouble and slags. The abusers kept them off the streets, and out of the hair of the police and social services. Very little to do with political correctness, but much more to do with ingrained prejudice against white working class, bolshie, loud mouthed young girls.  

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04/07/2017 at 15:49

Obi I think you wish a lot of what you said is true but it isn't.

My school was one that had the infamy of appearing in the closing credits of 'spotlight', although I wasn't a victim enough were. In that case it was lads from all walks of life (a faith school) and the clergymen that were doing it were from all walks of life. The Hull Scout troops that were wound up after a similar scandal were in working class areas and the volunteers (perpetrators) lived in the same area. The class element is no doubt visible in some cases but primarily these monsters just need a supply of vulnerable kids. The facts of the Muslim grooming gangs do not support your hypothesis. The real reasons action wasn't taken were clear in the report and out of the mouths of those involved.

1) there is some scripture based 'justification' for their actions specifically around (polygamy, the status of Kuffir women, the example of the prophet, the age of consent etc.)
2) the authorities - principally the police and social workers - deemed the nature of the crime just too sensitive in the context of multi-culturalism
3) the was no attempt to investigate underage girls having sex as a crime

This is an inconvenient crime for much of the narrative and promoted norms of our modern society.

The truth is inconvenient for many but true nevertheless.

People in the centre and the left have to get straight on the facts of these and some other key matters as right now many are WAY WAY offside... 

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04/07/2017 at 16:17

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 04/07/2017 at 15:49
Obi I think you wish a lot of what you said is true but it isn't.

My school was one that had the infamy of appearing in the closing credits of 'spotlight', although I wasn't a victim enough were. In that case it was lads from all walks of life (a faith school) and the clergymen that were doing it were from all walks of life. The Hull Scout troops that were wound up after a similar scandal were in working class areas and the volunteers (perpetrators) lived in the same area. The class element is no doubt visible in some cases but primarily these monsters just need a supply of vulnerable kids. The facts of the Muslim grooming gangs do not support your hypothesis. The real reasons action wasn't taken were clear in the report and out of the mouths of those involved.

1) there is some scripture based 'justification' for their actions specifically around (polygamy, the status of Kuffir women, the example of the prophet, the age of consent etc.)
2) the authorities - principally the police and social workers - deemed the nature of the crime just too sensitive in the context of multi-culturalism
3) the was no attempt to investigate underage girls having sex as a crime

This is an inconvenient crime for much of the narrative and promoted norms of our modern society.

The truth is inconvenient for many but true nevertheless.

People in the centre and the left have to get straight on the facts of these and some other key matters as right now many are WAY WAY offside...


I would say that teachers and clergy were part of the middle class when you were at school. Its changed a little since then, especially for teachers.

The Scouts are a middle class organisation with powerful friends.

After Hillsborough I'm surprised you believe what the police and social workers say in a situation where they totally screwed up. In the current climate its a lot easier to say it was due to political correctness. Certainly stopped you digging any deeper into how efficient the authorities are at looking at sexual abuse of children in the white community. The guidelines will be tightened up, will then be relaxed again until the next time.

I would say the ring leader was right. Society did abandon them, they were too much trouble. But that doesn't excuse what happened to the girls. The Rochdale ring leader had a duty as a human being to make sure they weren't abused and exploited. He failed miserably and deserves everything he gets. 

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